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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They definitely wouldn't. But if push came to a shove, I wonder if they'd really be able to stop them? I'm not really clear on the finer legal points. But I know that for the American Civil War, the south all left the federal government (which presumably would have made it easier to pass any bills regarding the south) and they also basically forced armed conflict (both by attacking first and by seizing federal bases).

I'm not sure if a single state leaving would have the same effect, especially with how divided American politicians are. I don't fully understand if anything actually needs to be voted on (I do know that the American Civil War didn't formally declare war), but if anything had to be, it's hard to picture even a single GOPer doing anything (nor enough Democrats to pass anything -- never mind that in the Senate, the fillibuster means that if the GOP refuses to vote, that's the end of things).

So it's a pretty big worry, in my mind. With all the shit states like Florida have done, I wouldn't put it past them to try and secede. And no matter what, there's no way that would end well. Either things will get a lot worse for any Floridans that aren't cis, straight, and white, or there'll be a war that costs a lot of lives. It's a lose-lose for any decent person. Only fascists stand to gain and they have power in Florida.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no way in hell a state would be allowed to secede as long as the federal government stands. Even ignoring the economic and geopolitical consequences, that precedent cannot be allowed to be set if the US is to remain a functioning nation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Also, no Republican has won the Presidency without winning Florida since Calvin Coolidge did a hundred years ago.

So the GOP won't be allowing Florida to secede so long as the Electoral College exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're assuming they'll do it alone and not as part of a coalition that controls large swaths of the American interior. A federation doesn't mean shit if half the parties involved walk out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't control the military or any of the 3 letter agencies, are you saying there's a chance they'll succeed?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's what OP is saying, and OP is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The U.S. won't allow Florida to secede. I think it's by design. As in, no State is allowed to leave the United States, and if Florida fucks around, they will find out.