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/jNo no, say it with your chest. Freud is absolutely a coke-fiend fraud.
Well, he was absolutely a coke-fiend that just made up a bunch of nonsense that was basically all incorrect. It's easy to call him a fraud now in hindsight, but it's important to remember that one of the things he made up was the idea that we should treat mental problems like illnesses that could be treated. That's still an incredibly valuable idea that still isn't being taken seriously enough. I'm willing to give the guy a break for being wrong when he was making up the entire idea of psychology from nothing. That was still useful, even if we have had to move on from everything he thought about psychology.
He didn't create the field though? Psychology existed before Freud, Wundt was putting out journals while Freud was still in college. If anything, Freud ruined a lot of psychology's early momentum, and largely contributed to it being seen as an illegitimate science even today.
I mean, yeah, okay, technically you're correct. I should have been more careful with how I phrased things. I know people on the internet are pedantic. I should have seen this coming. Freud didn't invent studying the mind, he just popularized the idea of, you know, actually using it to help people. The fact that he was bad at doing that doesn't make it a bad idea.
What would have happened if he hadn't come along and done that is just a story you made up. It has no basis in reality. Maybe we'd be living in a magical utopia where nothing bad would ever happen anymore. I can't prove that isn't true. It's not really a helpful thing to discuss though.
While I understand his ideas are bad. Fraud is hard to say (atleast for me as someone who only knows Freud passingly). Like if he believed his own ideas, I wouldn't call him a fraud, just bad
His crackpot theories made psychology a laughingstock of a science and basically killed interest in cognitive research for several decades. I will always hop on board to slander his fraud ass. Maybe he was too high to know what he was doing, I don't know if I accept that excuse.
I literally switched majors after having to read Freud, so this is something I can get behind.
Nowadays, he's only taught in a, "None of what this guy said has any basis in reality, but he basically started the field, so we're learning this as HISTORY ONLY." kind of way.
You don't need to know anything about the content of his work in order to say he is a fraud, as it is accepted as fact by the field of study as a whole.
I do not disagree that his ideas were bad. But fraud /=/ just bad/wrong ideas. Fraud is intentional deception, and I dont know if Freud did that so I can't take that stance.
Didn't he bang some of his patients?
Bro and or broette and or brozone:
1: That was Jung
2: You're talking about the times when a valid prescription was a vibrator and cocaine
3: He has been accused of covering up sexual abuse by modern feminist scholars. I'd read those literal scholarly papers on the topic before taking internet comments seriously.
Being incorrect isn't the same thing as being a fraud.
His ideas were extremely misogynistic and used as “scientific” excuses to oppress women and people with disabilities for much of the 20th century
Women got the right to vote in Germany in 1918.
Okay and? Freud was Austrian? And his works were used to oppress ill women or “deviant” women.