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Rofl. Biden/Harris trying everything they could to circumvent the blockade to get supplies into Gaza. Trump literally saying he wants to expel the remaining Palestinians and take their land for himself.
You will never admit you were wrong. You will go to your deathbed self assured with yourself that you never compromised on your ideals no matter what actually happens to Gazian Palestinians.
If it wasn't abundantly obvious to the rest of ya'll before, these soapbox "never genocide" bad actors never gave a single shit about what happens Palestinians.
Check their comment History. They’re not here in good faith at all. Just call them out and move on, but they don’t deserve a debate on this.
Trying everything except:
Is Trump‘s Plan.
No, he plans to send a unilateral conquering and occupation force.
There is a difference.
What a bold lie. Biden vetoed UN votes to stop the blockade. He defended the Israeli military shooting unarmed Palestinians who approached the blockade and approved of Israel blocking the investigations of the deaths of NGO workers.
You could argue Biden was more in favor of peace than Trump is, but in practice he didn’t differ from Trump’s previous term on Israel. His record is clear.
The US built a whole temporary harbor to deliver aid to Gaza.
The whole point of that temporary pier was because Biden was unwilling to pressure Netanyahu to open any of the gates into Gaza, so sea deliveries was a way around him. It delayed aid for months, and it was eventually destroyed in a storm. And then Biden let Israeli military use it for raids and it then became a military target.
It was a failure. A policy failure through and through.
During the time of his he pier, trucks were also getting in from other entrypoints. Israel even constructed and opened new ones.
The problem with aid availability was mostly related to challenges with distribution inside Gaza.
The pier had the same issue. Aid was piling up next to it, but distribution further into Gaza was slow.
Who do you think is paying for the blockade?
Red flag number one, laughing about genocide.
Except applying diplomatic pressure, Except taking military assets and delivering the supplies (besides the stupid symbolic airdrops that didn't even come close to meeting requirements and killed a bunch of people). Except stopping arming, or even threatening to stop arming, the military that was blocking those supplies - in contravention of international and US law. Except Antony Blinken literally falsifying reports to Congress about "Israel" blocking supplies, because that would legally implicate the Biden administration for continuing to arm them.
"Saying". That's the problem with you. All you hear is words. You don't read bills. You don't look at arms shipments. You don't read the history. You look at headlines.
What did i just say?
"This genocide started under Biden, with his support, and is continuing under Trump, with his support."
They absolutely obliterated Gaza with Biden-supplied bombs while he sat there with his hands over his eyes going, "I don't see anything wrong!" And then after two weeks in office, Trump goes, "oh my god, it's totally destroyed! We'd better ethnically cleanse them." while literally sitting next to Netanyahu. And in your brilliant brain, you don't see the plan at work here.
You are the one laughing in a message about their genocide. Look at my message. Do I sound like I'm fucking laughing?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Engage with honesty and integrity and compassion, or stop fucking responding to my comments.
US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.
First - provide any real proof of this.
Second - Rafah is completely destroyed. Biden administration described it as a "red line" along with the weasel words "major operation", and then walked it back after it was completely destroyed, saying the "red line" had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed. With the bombs they provided.
The U.S. is a military superpower. "Israel" is not. Actual diplomatic pressure applied would have ended the genocide - period. Your comment just screams to me how little research you've done on the genocide.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-avoided-bidens-red-line-ad715144
For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.
Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.
The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.
It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.
OK, so in other words, no proof except the say-so of the involved parties. Which demonstrably was not enough to stop Rafah from being flattened.
Also known as "ethnic cleansing". You're aware the civilians did not want to leave?
And they didn't. They didn't even hand in the mandated report after... 1 month? That was a year ago now.
We really arguing the Zionist talking points now? This how far this site has sunk?
"Human shields" argument also completely unsubstantiated, and visibly used as an excuse to demolish all civilian infrastructure. ~40k Hamas fighters, Hamas not even removed from power, after 1.5 years where hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed and the entire Gaza Strip has been completely flattened. And hundreds of openly genocidal statements from "Israeli" politicians, no less! My god, to actually fucking ignore those.
I'm not responding to this guy again. Assuming he's gonna keep going. What he's posting is literal genocidal incitement.
Evacuation of civilians from warzones is not only legal under international humanitarian law, it’s required.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas#2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
Hamas run health minister claims 62,000 dead and missing. Where are you getting these ridiculous numbers?
Estimates are 59.8% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed.
Destroyed buildings are not a genocide.
You have completely lost the plot.
I never advocated for Palestinians to be killed.
ROFL
Bro it isn't worth it. I respect what you are trying to do, but Lemmy is an echo chamber on these things. You are completely right in what you are saying, but you're wasting your time commenting here.
Clearly, if Kamala had won she would have personally resurrected every dead Palestinian and single-handedly repaired all the infrastructure. Let's conveniently ignore that she was Vice President in an administration that circumvented Congress multiple times to deliver arms with less oversight, that (almost) every US elected official has vocally supported Israel's actions for 70+ years, and that Kamala herself committed to nothing of substance on the topic.
Wow… this is almost every logical fallacy rolled into one comment.
Bravo!