this post was submitted on 03 Feb 2025
1144 points (98.1% liked)

Work Reform

10396 readers
1060 users here now

A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.

Our Philosophies:

Our Goals

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
1144
Electoral politics doesn't get the job done (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
131 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24998458

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Start saving now

Saving what?

grow food

How do you do that in a small apartment?

make do with less.

You sound like you've never lived in poverty. Unfortunately, millions of Americans do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Saving what?

Anything you can. Rice and beans.

How do you do that in a small apartment?

In small planters I guess.

You know shit about me Squid, I grew up dirt poor in the ozarks. Don't lecture me about poverty while you flee the country. Wtf are you gonna do when the SS comes knocking on your door? Buy a plane ticket? You're poking a lot of holes but I don't see any action plans from your safe haven in England, just a lot of flak for people with skin in the game.

Ya'll acting like you can discuss your way out of a camp are playing with your own lives (and those of your families). Maybe you don't have anything at risk, that's great disregard what I'm saying. But if you're a trans/queer/non-Christian "other" maybe it's a good time to look into protecting your and yours.

Or you can listen to the... idk, are they supposed solutions? And ignore what's happening in our country. Personally I'd recommend getting some protection before they decide you have a mental illness and aren't allowed to have one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't lecture you about anything, but if you grew up "dirt poor," like you claim you did, then I would think that you would understand that people in poverty do not have anything to save.

Also, the idea that you could feed yourself and your kids with what you grow in small planters in an apartment (before they kick you out for not paying rent because you lost your job due to being out protesting) is not how the universe works.

I assume you are now going to make the suggestion I saw someone make the other day and let their kids eat out of dumpsters.

Also, I am sorry, but this is fucking stupid:

Or you can listen to the… idk, are they supposed solutions? And ignore what’s happening in our country and get some protection before they decide you have a mental illness and aren’t allowed to have one.

You do not automatically come up with good solutions which are beyond criticism and people who criticize them aren't people who are just ignoring things.

Sorry, you're not a god.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My dirt poor aunt has a closet full of canned goods, she saves her excess.

Do you think Trump is a risk? You fled for that very reason right? Would you have suggested Jews disarm in the run up to the Holocaust? Not all of us have the resources to flee dude, despite your implication that I have some sort of wealth, which is rich coming from someone who legitimately was able to relocate.

You do not automatically come up with good solutions which are beyond criticism and people who criticize them aren’t people who are just ignoring things.

The only criticism I saw was "no that won't work!" from someone who's already ensured his safety. I'm all for sharing ideas if you have any Squid but maybe all you have to contribute is "no!" maybe you could lurk more and let the people facing the risk face it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

from someone who’s already ensured his safety

And there it is- "you ran away like a coward."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm willing to entertain any other suggestions you have. Your method isn't possible for me or lots of others so please, if you have some suggestions this is the time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well one suggestion would be to have some compassion for people living paycheck-to-paycheck and not expect such people to ruin their lives and, worse, their kids lives by doing things that are, at best, highly impractical and, at worse, could leave them destitute. And it's not just you, you're just part of a wider group saying things like people should be feeding their kids out of dumpsters if they really wanted to do something about Trump.

Another would be to suggest that rather than such people growing their own food and saving money they do not have to save, that they take part in collective action and protesting when they are able to do so, rather than on a specific, limited schedule that others who have far more freedom in their lives expect them to follow.

A third would be to not tell people like the residents of the 13.5% of American households that were food insecure a couple of years ago that they just need to make do with less when there is no less.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you just glossed over everything in my original comment except the part about saving (food, money, medicine, anything) and owning a gun? I specifically said network with like-minded people. Community is the only way we'll get through the next decade. If buying a gun is a financial hardship that's fine, look for other steps you can take. Don't just throw your hands up and say "no!"

People are going to have to learn to rely on themselves (and their neighbors) because infrastructure and public services days are basically numbered. Soon prices will start to rise for the most basic goods, people will reduce their consumption. They will "make do" or they'll do without. Talk to your grandparents who survived the depression. Remember the covid toilet paper panic? That'll be a fond memory.

You can dislike my message, I don't care that much. I'll even agree that everything you said should be done. However, my messages is meant for marginalized, radicalized individuals who are at very real risk of being exterminated. People who have the means and the mind to organize and resist.

My "queer hiking" club has already established second lines of communication and started spitballing what to do as things become progressively worse. This is real and I do not plan to get on the train willingly. Moving abroad isn't an option, so this is what I'll do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You asked me for suggestions and then ignored them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool. I've read what Dr. King has written. You still asked me for suggestions and ignored them. And the fact that you think Dr. King applies here when we are talking about mostly people of color suffering is ironic as fuck.