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What's great about this, and Stephen Fry is brilliant, is not that he's absolving Musk, or that he's criticizing Tesla, but that it is an argument likely leading to Elon Musk protesting,

'No, my cars are good enough that I can be a Nazi!'

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I was arguing that there was a terrible war, and the enemy was dangerous and capable. Many of our and other country's soldiers died to destroy them, and it wasn't easy.

They weren't "Colonel Klink" from "Hogan's Heroes", they were efficient at killing, rounding up and killing millions while fighting on a number of fronts.

My grandfather fought in World war I, and my uncles fought in World war II. From what I heard the Germans were not incompetent bumbling idiots. They were a very competent and difficult enemy.

I don't know what history everybody's been reading, but there sure as heck are some major changes to history interpretation that have taken place in the last 40-50 years. Probably peer-to-peer instruction, rather than accounts from those who endured it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok fair enough, I accept the explanation you provided. Folks are taking issue with the following comment in particular.

What does it take to impress you? To what would you assign their disturbing success?

In isolation, this sounds a little too close to admiration for the Nazis, which is why we got some reports about it. It seems to me it's just unfortunate phrasing, because together with the explanation you just provided, it sounds like a reasonable take for you not to want to paint them like some hapless foe that was easily defeated, because that discounts the difficulties faced by those who fought the bastards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wanted to clarify, but there were so many comments coming in, I didn't see how I could do it effectively. And not seem like I was what some people thought I was

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I know, it's difficult when people pile on with bad faith takes. Anyway don't worry, I think it's clear what you meant now.