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this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2025
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Just out of curiosity, what's your solution?
(Putting aside that what you describe is still far more room for ban evasion than non-fediverse platforms.)
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16065977
Basically, decentralize the back-end independently of the front-end, eliminate admins altogether, mods still exist but they only have power on their communities, they don't have site wide power.
That wouldn't work that well, especially when you take law into regard. For example, the european Digital Services Act regulates platforms and platforms have to respond to obligations, sometimes deleting content. Communities are not platforms, instances are. Ergo, you need instance admins be able to comply and respond to the DSA.
The server owners would take care of the content hosted on their server and would need to filter it based on their local laws (to remove CSAM for example, just like current admins need to do), but otherwise this type of decentralization would make the website pretty much a neutral zone that operates outside of specific laws since the people hosting the content (and its backups) could be located all over the world.
How's that different from now?
Or do you want users to not be banned instancewide for breaking instance rules? Or do you want to abolish instance/server rules aside from local laws altogether?
No instance, no admin with power over users themselves, only community mods.
Instances = servers. No instances = nowhere to host content. And again, admin roles are a necessity for any server based infrastructure.
There's because you don't understand the infrastructure I'm talking about.
Enlighten me. Where do you want to host stuff?
It's all explained in the link I shared, you do like any other website but instead of using multiple servers owned by a single company it's multiple servers owned by random people and devs can create a front-end to access the data found on those servers.
But that's literally how the whole fediverse works right now.
No, it's not, each instance hosts its own content, and users are assigned to an instance.
What I'm talking about is making the end user experience the same as any centralized website, the hosts are just hosting parts of the total database (randomly assigned, with backups in mind so everything is hosted on multiple servers, with the option not to host content flagged as NSFW) and people create front-ends to access and interact with that database. Users aren't assigned to a specific server, their credentials are just part of the database.
As I mentioned in my other comment, think like any other website but instead of relying on AWS to host the data on a bunch of servers all over the world, it's people like you and me and just like Reddit before the API scandal, you let devs create apps to push and pull data.
From a user perspective that removes the admins from the equation entirely (people weren't complaining about the sys admins on Reddit, they couldn't care less about the servers), users are their own boss and filter their experience as they see fit, mods still exist but no one has the power to suddenly device you just can't interact with tens of thousands of users all of the sudden just because you signed up from the wrong place (in their mind). If an admin decides to stop hosting, the data they had on their server is backed up on other servers and things are rebalanced between servers to make sure there's still a backup of everything.
I doubt that such a model would be viable in practice. Again, server owners must be able to delete content under certain circumstances. How would you deal with illegal content? How would you deal with communities that share CSAM for example, or are used by criminal or terrorist organizations, black market arms dealing etc? I doubt that mods of such communities will take care of it.
Also, I don't think that the issue of defederation is as big of a deal as you make it to be.
My instance is a pretty big one and is defederated from other major ones because of the admins on those other instances. That's tens of thousands of users I (and any other user on my instance) can't interact with because their admin said so.
They would need to filter the content being pushed to their server just like current admins have to do even if they elect not to host NSFW content. There's tools to automate the process. If it's a non issue with the way things work now then it's a non issue with what I'm proposing.
Sounds you would still have admins, just with extra steps and extra work.
Oh, yeah, because automated tools to recognize illegal content work so well. (/s. For real, there are reasons why computer science experts, privacy experts and civil rights experts are pretty much united against such tools. If you want to know more, look up the resistance against EU proposals for Clients Side Scanning and such.)
Your ideas would not work in reality without open up.platforms for all the things we do not want.
Which ones? I looked through some major instances' lists of blocked instances and sh.itjust.works isn't on any.
You would have sys admins but no admins that could do anything to users themselves. Which I had already made very clear.
The automated tools are what current admins use to clean up their servers because users keep uploading illegal content to Lemmy even with the current system. I already mentioned that we well. Unless you somehow believe that the admins currently check every single post being made on their instance or something?
Here's a tool to check federation status: https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
Your instance is defederated from pretty big ones as well.
Why would users want someone with the power to just wipe their account from existence and the ability to decide what their experience will be in their place? That's just Reddit again but with even more admins, nothing was solved. My solution involves sys admins that are there to make sure their servers work and that delete illegal stuff from them and that's it. They have no more power over the user experience than AWS sys admins have power over the user experience on Reddit, because, once again, the goal is to decentralize the back-end independently from the front-end.
Which one is the big one? I've never heard of any so I don't know which ones are the supposed big ones. Why are you so oddly unspecific about this despite bring repeatedly asked for specifics?
About the rest: how would you make sure illegal content gets removed? These automated tools don't work well enough, evidenced by that I have seen CSAM on meme communities every now and then. How do you take care of users who repeatedly upload illegal content? If an AWS server admin needs to delete some content on reddit, they can't do that targeted enough, they'd have to wipe reddit off their servers.
Also, the main issue with being banned for nothing are powertripping mods. Mods that usually so not only moderaten one but many communities. That's completely unaddressed in your model, too. You're focusing on the wrong issues and in the process make shit harder for everyone willing to contribute. At the moment, if you get banned for allegedly wrong reasons. If you get banned from.multiple instances, the problem is you, not supposed powertripping admins. Admins are a necessity.
And to be honest, I am quite tired of your BS. I'm out.
In my case hexbear, beehaw, lemmygrad...
In your case lemmygrad...
Sys admins would user the tools they currently use to delete illegal content, mods would do their job and block users who post it on their communities.
Mods AND admins power tripping were an issue on Reddit, part of the move to Lemmy came from people being fed up with admins, not mods, remove one from the equation and you're left with mods that only have control over their communities which can easily be replaced, get banned by an admin here and it's your whole history you're losing.
Good thing because I'm tired of you not understanding.