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No Y = 0
Presence of Y = 1
Looks like you can express it with binary if you want, though you would need an interpreter
You can have a partial Y chromosome or transfer of Y genes to the X chromosome during meiosis which can result in a person with both sets of sex organs, or more rarely, no sex organs at all. Even genetic sex cannot be accurately represented as one bit (let alone gender identity).
Why are conservatives so obsessed with people’s genitals?
In both of those cases you can determine whether a y is present or not
for one, a person's genitals are not necessarily a direct indication of their biological sex, even without considering bottom surgery
You’re confused, I was saying that
The person above me was saying otherwise but I think they’re a mean person because if someone was in an accident and lost their parts then they would say they aren’t their gender anymore
I might not fully grasp what you said, but from my understanding, they were discussing intersex people. In these cases, it's not an either/or situation at birth regarding sex characteristics or chromosomes. It could be a mix of various combinations, or sometimes none at all. The Y chromosome might not be fully present, which means a penis might not exist at birth, or it could be very small (and possibly non-functional for urination), but there may still be internal testicles (which I understand is quite common for some "types" of intersex ppl). In your interpretation, does this mean that there are individuals with a Y chromosome and then there is the rest of the population?
So, we have XY, XYY, XXY versus the others, who might have just one X, two Xs, or a partial Y (I think there were other combinations too). That doesn't seem very binary to me. It's like saying you're either a kid (under 18 in most countries) or an adult, which doesn't cover everyone and doesn't say much either. But maybe we took your comment too serious.
However, labels have always been a tool to simplify life, and they have never been strictly binary. It's similar to organizing a home with labels, there is always at least one drawer labeled other/miscellaneous.
There are as many intersex people as there are redheads, and they can have two sets of sex organs, no organs, or a combination of organs. This wide category range is why the person you responded to mentioned the parts, as these visibly influence how one's sex is documented. Intersex conditions can sometimes make this categorization extremely challenging.
I appreciate the depth of your answer
Under my system they would still fall under the “has Y” or “Y absent” grouping
I do think a genetic blood test at birth would fix that issue of misidentification but since gender (y vs no y) should be meaningless to the majority of people, because everyone is equal and free to express themselves, it’s not worth the cost of doing it until there’s a need to affirm someone’s gender
That's a chromosome you encoded there which is one of a few markers that define sex, not gender.
Same thing
It’s meaningless to who the individual is, unless you’re a conservative that believes playing with dolls or wearing makeup makes you a girl but then I don’t care for your opinion
Yes, chromosomes are meaningless to who someone is (except edge-cases).
No, sex and gender aren't the same.
Imagine confusing gender and sex in 2025
Imagine enforcing gender roles by treating them as separate things
We could do laps on this all day. In the end if a trans person says they're trans and this is what it means to them, I'll take them at their word.
Of course we’re taking people’s words for it
It would be weird to force people to do a genetic test every time they meet someone new
That’s not relevant to the discussion
Least sensible discussion I've been in in a while
Suit yourself bigot
except that genetics isn't that simple, there's many many things that go into structuring your body. Even biological sex isn't binary, there's plenty of overlap. People can literally be born with both sets of genitals afaik.
That’s already accounted for in my example