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Yeah, nah, it's not Jacks fault.
Oh it sure the fuck is. And also every fucking imbecile who provides excuses, cover, and interference for Democrats who fail to deliver. Making excuses for the bad-faith management on the part of Democrats is as bad if not worse than just outright supporting fascism, because it precludes us our ability to actually do anything to stop this rightward shift.
The Democrats are not your friends. They are not your buddies. They aren't even on your team, in-spite of their ever present marketing to the contrary. They use the fact that you think they are on your team and fighting for you to sit on their hands. Then the worms crawl out and defend their inaction as if its some forgone conclusion and they are merely victims of the environment that they find themselves in. They did not pursue Trump in any meaningful way that would disturb the system or the sensitivities of the neoliberal managerial class because they never intended there to be real justice. If justice came at the cost of upsetting the status quo of how power is brokered in Washington, then justice gets a back seat.
The rise of fascism, the failure of justice, the fact that Trump is coming back to power: Its 100% due to how Democrats have (failed) to govern, and failed to engage in a meaningfully democratic way.
Nope. Jack Smith did a good job. His boss Merrick Garland fucked it up by waiting way to long to appoint a special prosecutor. And Biden deserves some blame for that too in appointing Garland and it not wanting to appear to "interfere".
Yes it is 100% the fault of the police that burglars broke into your house and stole your stuff! /s
Well, at least Palestine is going to be okay now that genocide Joe and Kill'emAll Kamala are out of office...
Biggest /S ever.
Yeah garlan fucked up, Biden fucked up, Jacks name is on this, but he wasn't the person calling the shots. It could have been anyone else's name on the docket, but he got the short end of the stick. The democrats as an entity failed, absolutely, they aren't your friends, I agree, Mueller, Smith, aren't to blame for the collapse of the American justice system. That is my point.
Forget about how badly the fumbled all the Trump charges. They are still "looking" for people 4 years later who they got crystal clear face shots of. Every aspect of it is a disgrace. Agree with everything you said.
They aren’t even pretending to be in your team unlike Trump! The guy at least dressed up as a McDonald’s worker and a bin man for a bit!
Naw, dems hope that the contrary is going to scare the people into voting for them; but sadly it just doesn’t!
Dude nobody is voting for Dems in order to do any f*cking personal favors for them. We are voting to do a favor for ourselves and the country because Traitorapist Trump and the GOP is 100x worse. The last 3 Dem presidents all raised tax on the rich and/or corporations. Why would you NOT vote for that?
Not to be misunderstood, I hope an angry mob is going pleasure Trump with a lamp pole?
I really don’t think the dems did and I can’t find any info on the contrary… Could you give me some sauce? Biden did talk about taxing the rich and the news orgs retaliated by continuously airing his geriatric moments on repeat, while Trumps went pretty much under the radar
Clinton raised tax rates on the wealthy.
Obama raised tax rates on the wealthy.
Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations from 0% to 15%.
Harris was going to raise this rate even higher.
This is all part of the public record. Try to pay more attention to what is going on. For your own sake. And for our sake, if you are going to make comments here.
Trump lowered taxes on the wealthy by $4 trillion in 2017 Tax cuts and jobs act.. Next year, all income groups under 75k in the same 2017 legislation will pay more taxes because of Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act according to the congressional budget office joint committee on taxation. Treason Trump has already indicated he is going give the wealthy yet another gigantic GOP tax cut.
You know, when someone asks for sauce, they are asking for links; for proof
Obama didn’t raise taxes on the rich, he just closed loopholes for them!(https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/taxes) nor did Biden. Harris promised to continue the legacy of Biden and while Biden did vaguely talk about it for a short while nothing came of it
You are so f*cking lazy. You could have googled this stuff, instead of REPEATING your baseless claims. The worst thing you can do on the internet is express confident ignorance. And you just did it.
Nope. He raised tax rates on the rich.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/thanks-obama-highest-earners-tax-rates-rose-sharply-in-2013.html
Nope. She promised to raise taxes on corporations and the rich.
https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-kamala-harris-tax-plan/
Nope. Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/business/corporate-minimum-tax-impact.html
If you make a claim then you also take the requirement of proof on you. Don’t make assertions if you have to throw a hissie fit when someone asks for proof. And its kinda funny that you talk about repeating facts, when your definition of proof is “yeah he did it”
I am not going to make an account woth the New York Times, but going to assume you are right. Thought I find it weird that Obama’s “highest-earner-tax-rate-that-sharply-rose-in-2013” is not in his presidential records. Which would have made 2/3 of your claim flasw that all 3 last dem president raised… since you aren’t claiming anymore that Biden did :)
Obama did exactly what I claimed he did. Raised tax rates on the rich. I proved it. He raised the top income tax rate from 35% to 39.6%.
Biden did exactly what I claimed he did. He raised the minimum tax on corporations from 0% to 15%. I never claim that Biden raised income tax rates. I don't make shit up dude.
Here was my exact claim.
[Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations from 0% to 15%.]
Everybody paying attention already knew these things to be true. Do you want me to prove that 2+2=4 next?
Corpos are now rich folk? Moving the goal post, ain’t you?
If you stated it, and if I asked you to prove it; yes! I am not even old enough to vote yet, I didn’t even live when Clinton was the fucking thing; how the fuck am I supposed to get to know things if I can’t ask?
And rereading this convo, your def of a good presidentship is how much they raised taxes on the rich? Really?
Not one inch. I literally never claimed Biden did anything other than reduce the tax rate on corporations. Which are mostly owned by the wealthy, but are also too powerful in their own right.
I believe that raising (or lowering) taxes on the wealthy and/or corporations is literally one of the most important things if not the most important thing of a president's term. The reason for that is because wealth inequality if related to almost every other problem we have.
You can ask. Including asking for links. But when someone makes an assertion you can and should google that assertion to find out if it is true if you suspect it is not, rather than simply repeating a false claim.
Also keep in mind that you cannot depend on the media to point out what the important stuff is. The billionaire owned media buries any good stuff about Dems because rich people want gigantic GOP cuts and because journalists aren't any better at other people in focusing on what is important. That's probably why you did not know about Harris's 82 page PDF of policy proposals.
Then you should be a little more humble before making confidently false claims. I knew all of those things happened because I remembered them happening. So understand there are people who know more than you and aren't necessarily lying when they tell you something you didn't know.
You think any sort of meaningful change can occur while our political system revolves around a fund raising match where your chances are linked to how bribable you are?
You think shifting the social burdens, tho no one ever even considered lowering tax on lower echelons, is really going to help you out? Yaay, you get to keep one more percent of your paycheck! Or double yaay, you get to buy eggs for 2-4% cheaper! We made america great again, yippies!
What we really need to do is raise the minimal wage and tie it to inflation! That would actually solve problems! And if the corpos could afford the 35$/hr that 7 bucks was in the eighties then they can afford it now too!
You didn’t think I noticed that you found the edit button? But congratulations mate, you know this convo can be viewed on google wayback machine? I want you to look into the mirror and pat your minuscular cock with pride!Keep patting at it!
I haven't edited one single word on this. You could confirm that by checking the edit history. I literally never said Biden raised tax rates on the rich. I always said he raised taxes on corporations. I know exactly what Biden did so why the fuck would I say he did something I knew he didn't do?
Fantastic. You go do that and try to "catch me". Post your findings here. Another way to go is to look at the edit history on Lemmy.
You don't get it at all. It's not about lowering taxes on the poor. I said that wealth inequality is linked to almost all our other problems. It is precisely because the wealthy want super low taxes that the GOP tries to keep spending low. We don't have universal health care because the wealthy want super low taxes. (ie wealth inequality). We don't have a decent minimum wage because wealthy people want to maximize profits on assets (ie wealth inequality). Almost any problem you name I can tell you how it is linked to wealth inequality.
Even beyond that, they're all part of the same big club. Something like Jimmy Carter's funeral was a perfect chance to make a completely empty gesture and at least pretend that you're actually treating Trump like the existential threat to the entire US you kept claiming he was. But not only was he invited, Trump and Obama were casually talking and laughing with each other. It's all just empty theatre, both parties serve the same interests at the end of the day, the only difference is how overtly they systematically strip your rights away. They let each other be the boogeyman for their voters and then trade back and forth slightly undoing the last administrations policies but never fully enough to revert all of them.