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Her pitch was pretty clear and she gave concrete policies all the time this was just a narrative pushed by MAGA
No, I know she gave concrete policies, I watched the debate. What I mean is that
The policies weren't much to write home about
I'm asking about the elevator pitch. Give me the campaign message in one sentence.
Continuing the good things Biden had done (chips act, student debt cancellation, etc), while protecting reproductive rights, at least pretending to treat minorities like humans, while being the only rational option that had a chance.
Okay, great! Now, here's where I point out the problems. Keep in mind that I am not happy that Trump won, what I want is for the democrats to take their well-earned lessons from their fuck up and not fuck up again, instead of staying in denial of any responsibility and trundling into the midterms convinced that they did everything perfect in '24.
I still don't get why they had to die on the hill of defending a guy who was no longer seeking re-election when they had a perfect opportunity to put distance between them. It should have been the obvious thing to do when the Trump campaign was also trying to make sure that voters associated Kamala with Biden.
I mean, pretend you didn't pay attention to politics. What's a better one sentence pitch? What you said, or "you're going to win a lot, you'll be tired of winning"?
P.S. Following up on student loans: It's also frustrating that instead of trying to make a meaningful change to at least start addressing the system that creates the student debt problem, the big fix they offered was a band-aid of debt forgiveness (for some people). That's not meaningful change, it's a band-aid.
It seems whenever someone pointed out that the the economy wasn’t better for the average person, people weren't told to shut up or accused of being MAGA. But told that 'the economy' doesn't measure cost of living for normal people. It's the stock market. Regardless of that it was better by most measures comparing the rebound against other countries. Disinformation was just more effective and reality did not matter.
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If one can side just fabricate a southern invasion, or convince people inflation is high when it isn't. It doesnt really matter what the other side does.
If you didn't pay attention to politics you should've been able to take one look at Trumps actions around Jan6 and vote against it, no listing to the media required. It was transparent AF. Recordings of him trying to coerce more votes out of states, and all the nonsense that came afterwards, etc. But unfortunately fear is too effective, and the Dems are much worse at it. Too busy nitpicking a lame campaign and sowing doubt rather than the pure denial and unity the people want.
Like I asked elsewhere, if the lesson is blame the voters, then what's the plan? Cross our arms and scoff incredulously when we lose again next time?
Accelerate until enough pain gives enough people a reality check. Go all in on the antivax propaganda next time and reduce their numbers.
Bingo.
The last few elections have really highlighted how uneducated and easily manipulated the American public is. And as far as I can tell, disinformation is going to be our future. The average American just isn't interested in responsibly informing themselves. And because of that we'll never have the Congress we need to reign in the forces pushing that disinformation (not that you can ever really stop it now that Pandora's Box is open). So the future goes to whatever party can fabricate the most extreme blatant lies to scare people into voting for them.
The future is not looking bright.
And the dems had 4 years to throw trump in jail but that’s “too political”
They’re useless so why vote for them?
To shift the Overton window left.
That would mean shifting the democratic party left. They're the ones pulling that end of the window right.
Wonder how many rights we'll lose and how fucked up our economy will be by the time we get the felon rapist out of office, assuming we can get him and his party out of office after they attempt to make good on their promise to "reorganize" our government after inciting an insurrection to topple it. But at least maybe Democrats will "learn their lesson" by then.
Lol. That's literally how Republicans win. They cornered the market on it. They developed fear-based politics into an art form. THEY'RE EATING OUR PETS. INVADING IMMIGRANT CARAVANS. THEY'RE STEALING YOUR JOBS AND RAPING YOUR CHILDREN. BIDEN IS TOO OLD (totally ignore that our guy is equally old).
If anything, Democrats need to learn how to lie and scare people into voting for them more effectively, because clearly that's what nets American votes.
I mean I guess if I cosplayed a moron I'd go with the winning comment. If I remain in the shoes of someone with a normal number of brain cells, then I'd rather hear about accomplishments and policy.
Okay, so if the lesson is blame the voters, then what's the plan? Scoff in disbelief and say "God, I can't believe you guys are still this stupid" when the Democrats lose again in 26 or 28?
I can’t believe the blue magas are this stupid. It’s like they want to lose. Idiots.
My life has gotten markedly worse since biden and so has that of all my coworkers. More of the same “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden except as a first black Indian woman president!!! is simply not appealing and it has nothing to do with identity politics. This economy is destroying the working class. My entire department coworkers voted for trump, almost all of them for the first time. It’s vermont. They’re pro women, pro lgbtq, don’t care about race. But Biden’s economic policies did not help them at all. All of the twice obama thrice trump voters? Same fucking thing. But that doesn’t fit the neat little identity politics narrative conveniently invented to keep people from talking about class issues and gaining class consciousness. You see, the working class greatly surpasses the ruling class in size and we’re heavily armed. Don’t want the working class getting any ideas so best to invent or manipulate identity issues to keep it divided.
If only you’d talk to people instead of parroting liberal MSM talking points that remind me of bush claiming Islamic terrorism was because they hate us! And not you know, the product of decades of US intervention in the Middle East especially the support of Israel’s bullshit.
But objectively Bidens policies were better for them. This is the problem with voting on feels and not data. Unless they voted for Trump to burn the system down in hopes that’d improve things, they voted for their situations to worsen. As well as the situation of those vulnerable groups they ‘care’ about.
But Biden is SOOOOOOOOOO old. Like 3 whole years older than the ancient rapist we just elected.
I mean, we know Democrats are a WAY better option for the average American, but can you imagine someone 3 WHOLE years older than the felon we elected being president? Totally unacceptable.
She tried to buy voters and it failed because noone trusts democrats to follow through on promises without them being backhanded or benefiting a group of people that aren't involved.
Said literally days after Democrats banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports.
I'm referring to her policy proposals of giving money away for various reasons.
What was she clear about again ? Her overwhelming support for the Genocide of Gaza ? Yes
Off the top of my head
DOUBT!
Yeah right, why wasn’t it done already then?
Big whoop, homes will increase 25k in price.
Surging economy for whom?! the liberal elites? Yeah ok.
And the democrats had FIFTY FUCKING YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead. YEAH RIGHT. That’s total bullshit. If she was serious why didn’t it happen under biden and why would it magically happen under her? No, nothing would change. Just more fundraising, this dumbass spent a billion to lose an election because nobody fucking believes a word out of democrat mouths anymore for good fucking reason! Like an abusive romantic relationship where the partner constantly promises change and never delivers and then gaslights you over it. And you wonder why they’re breaking up!
Bullshit and empty promises. Democrat senator from Connecticut joe Lieberman single-handedly killed Obamacare’s public option after being bribed by the insurance companies that are headquartered in his state. He’s dead but there’s always a democrat patsy to protect the capitalists they actually represent. Sinema, Manchin, the unheard of senate parliamentarian when it came to raising the federal minimum wage. There’s always somebody democrat aligned to protect corporate donors interests and block any kind of meaningful reform.
Too little too late. See the LA wildfires for an example. We’re already cooked. The time to act was decades ago but did the democrats do anything meaningful? NO! They protected their corporate donors and the capitalist class as they always do. Schadenfreude watching the houses of the extreme wealthy burn!
The argument wasn’t whether or not people believed her. It was on whether or not they knew what the policies were.
But to deny she was the better option for Gaza is just delusion.
How many billions of dollars has the Biden admin, with Harris as VP, sent to "Israel" to commit the genocide? Quantified in both dollars and arm shipments purchased with those dollars. I'm actually asking you, please provide the numbers. And separate them by bills authorizing the amounts and sales, when applicable.
Also, for the arms sales, note whether or not they're structured to be below the threshold when Congress has to be notified of the arms sale or not (I choose the word "structuring" because this is actually a federal crime for normal people in the financial system).
Not really relevant. If you have a point then make it.
You are claiming that billions of dollars of weapons continually sent to a genocide, from the administration she was VP in, is irrelevant to whether or not she was "the better option"? The fucking mental gymnastics of watching someone be complicit in genocide and having the fucking nerve to sit there and say someone else would genocide even worse, in her DEFENSE. You people are deranged.
Of course it’s irrelevant as the argument isn’t whether or not they were aiding in it. Unless you have access to an alternative reality wherein you can see what Trump would’ve done if he were president then you have no numbers to compare to and determine the better option. It’s completely meaningless without that context.
What we do have is Trump saying he’s going to set Palestine back decades, his previous public support for the illegal settlements, him appointing an Israeli ambassador who says the West Bank shouldn’t exist, using ‘Palestinian’ as a slur, the list goes on and on.
To deny this is sheer cope because you fell for the Zionist propaganda.
To create a theory about the relative severity of genocide between two politicians, you would have to understand their motivations. Which you have utterly failed at. Your entire theory here is extrapolated based on inferring sympathy from the statements of genocidal politicians, which is just about the most unreliable source of information there is. It speaks to WILLFUL ignorance and active denial of reality.
No my theory is based on their actions, intentions, and motivations. The zionists are celebrating for a reason.
Adelson paid $20 million in exchange for moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem last cycle. His window, a megadonor for settlement development in the West Bank just donated 100m with her stated goals being Israeli annexation of the West Bank and a U.S. recognition of Israeli sovereignty in all the regions of the land. Trumps #1 donor above Musk.
and some more
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/netanyahu-offers-deals-to-smotrich--ben-gvir-to-secure-cease
Except she didn't promise any of that (not her in particular) & the 2-state solution is a farce where the Genocide will still continue & Israel will be given more priority & as for reproductive rights Never though killing unborn children was a reproductive right
Huh? Many of those were her original campaign promises.
Genocide will be ramped up and concerns ignored instead of just continuing while facing increasing public scrutiny and backlash. He literally told you this. Biden was a zionist at heart but Kamala would've softened after winning. And even if she didn't. Argument isn't whether she was good for Gaza, it's that she was objectively, better than Trump.
vs
The current GOP is busy writing "finish them" on Israeli artillery shells. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/nikki-haley-writes-finish-them-israeli-artillery-shell-drawing-criticism-2024-05-29/
There is no argument for letting Trump/GOP get in if you care about Gaza. Of course they're worse.
It has ensured Palestine's erasure. We're now in the 'Greater Israel' period in U.S politics
Giving a woman the right to choose to abort her fetus or not is definitely a reproductive right and also a basic human right.
It's healthcare and it is not for politicians to decide when it should be between a woman and her doctor.
I like how you talk more about Israel/Palestine than you do about the United States.
Priorities looking real good.
Because US has a hand in it & Also US is not the center of the universe
Lazy comment is lazy.
You're getting downvoted, but Kamala simply ran a better campaign than Trump. She was all about hope and inclusion, which is undeniably a better message than "hate this person I'm telling you to hate". She decimated him in the debate, going over policy while he talked about immigrants eating pets and having concepts of plans.
She ran a better campaign. In a very short period of time.
She lost because
There's a lot of hate in America.
Americans are easily misinformed and manipulated by disinformation. The average American is too goddamn lazy and stupid to lookup data and make responsible decisions based off that data.
Winning the vote is the only metric that actually counts for how good a campaign is.