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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from [email protected] for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

No, I asked myself why am I spending more money to the same conglomerates to receive a shittier product.

It's "easy" to be a modern vegan...if you give half your food budget to Monsanto and Kellogs.

Being an ethical vegan is damn near impossible in the modern grocery market. Especially if you have a life outside being a vegan.

So I can pay top dollar for some shit cheese that barely melts, made by some giant food corp...for what? To feel better about protecting the environment? Why? So that more hicks in Texas can roll coal to their nearest buccees to buy a liter of diet coke in a Styrofoam cup?

Fuck it. The world's going down in a hand basket anyway. If nobody else is gonna change them I'm not gonna disadvantage myself financially before the coming collapse by eating inferior ice cream.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I fuel my pathos into funding a local regenerative farm that I can visit and see the ecology. Sure, ordering food two weeks ahead of time is a headache, but I know where every dollar is going.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

This is an Appeal to Futility fallacy, which can render any argument immobile. "Why vote, it doesn't matter anyway". "Why help the needy, my contribution won't fix the problem". "Why continue living, we're just gonna die anyway".

If everyone thinks along your lines, society and the world basically just falls to bits. If the world suddenly adopted my view, climate change is basically solved, the risk of zoonotic diseases (COVID, bird flu, swine flu etc) basically stops, the risk of treatment resistant antibiotics hugely drops, conscious feeling creatures aren't tortured and killed for pleasure.

The worst Monsanto vegies are absolutely more ethical than the best meat, for the planet, for your health and for the animal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

If the world suddenly adopted my view, climate change is basically solved,

I doubt it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. If.

But it's not going to happen. Ever. The world is doomed and it's a massive systemic issue. Me eating fake cheese isn't going to fix it. A million people eating fake cheese won't help it. It will exacerbate it.

The problem is capitalism and the scale of industrial farming. It's not going to change by people being voluntarily vegan.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

But it’s not going to happen. Ever.

You're not god.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nor are you. And unlike God (and you, apparently), I'm existing in reality.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's a lot of arrogance to say you're "existing in reality" when nobody can see into the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's more arrogant to say "If the world suddenly adopted my view, climate change is basically solved, the risk of zoonotic diseases (COVID, bird flu, swine flu etc) basically stops, the risk of treatment resistant antibiotics hugely drops, conscious feeling creatures aren't tortured and killed for pleasure."

If I wanted to fight vegans right now, I'd be downstairs talking to my wife. I'm happy being ovo-lacto again. My girls are well cared for (I built them a mansion of a coop out of mostly reclaimed wood), and they repay me daily, and I'm enjoying creamy cheeses and ice cream that doesn't taste like frostbitten ass (or paying $9/pint for a decent alternative)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

conscious feeling creatures aren’t tortured and killed for pleasure.

that's not happening now, so don't worry about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

If the world suddenly adopted my view,

do you have a plan to make that happen?