THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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So how do you refuse breathalyzer and just "get away with it"?
You have to be in a police union first.
Everyone can refuse breathalyzer. Everyone should actually, because it will take longer to get to the station. This guy is a POS but if anyone didn't know, now you do
Doesn't work everywhere. In Canada refusing the breathalyze test carries the same potential charge and failing the breathalyzer test. I know, I already agree with the "what the f*** kind of law is that", but this is how things are.
DUI's are a play-to-play win (paying enough for a good lawyer) or you need to be apart of an exclusive club, otherwise bend over.
Everyone driving drunk should. But, you know, you should maybe also not drive drunk
You're assuming that police only accuse drunk drivers of driving drunk.
They can accuse you without a breathalyzer test as well and they can fake blood tests just as well as a breathalyzer test. If you assume the police are just gonna plant evidence, refusing a breathalyzer test will do nothing.
CaptnNMorgan clearly stated, that they recommend taking the test at the station because of the time to get there, indicating that it's about degradation of the blood alcohol level. They're clearly showing that it's not about innocent people being wrongfully accused. I know ACAB, yadda yadda, that doesn't mean everyone accused by the police is a saint. Some people are just assholes and anyone driving drunk should get the book thrown at them. Including of course off-duty cops.
Nobody should drive drunk, but everyone has a different tolerance. Someone can blow a high number and not even feel buzzed, if their tolerance is high. I'm not talking to bad people who don't care about other lives, I'm talking to people who would otherwise be taken advantage of by the police and their obtuse laws.
Dude, you're literally defending drunk driving. Please educate yourself on the effect of alcohol on decision making and reaction speed. Just because someone thinks they're not impaired doesn't mean it's true and how they feel doesn't play any role in it whatsoever
Bro, there is a difference between being drunk and not realizing it, and being sober while blowing a high number.
If you're blowing a high number you're literally not sober, wtf?
You are wrong. Someone with a high tolerance won't be drunk, but they'll have the same amount of alcohol in their blood as someone who is wasted and has a low tolerance.
You should not drive at a fairly low blood alcohol level either. Reaction time and decision making abilities are limited even if you don't feel anything consciously. Although, I get the feeling that you're not capable of making good decisions while being sober either, so maybe for you it doesn't make a difference.
You don't have clue.
"I drive better after a couple drinks, it loosens me up but I'm not even buzzed."
In UK you get a charge of failure to provide and it worsens when you refuse again at the station.