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[–] [email protected] 195 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rent-seeking middlemen. This is the pinnacle of capitalism. Taking revenue while providing nothing is maximum efficiency. You can tell because it raises prices invisibly for everyone.

This is just a baby version of how credit card companies have placed a 1%-5% sales tax on the global economy. You might say "at least the CC companies provide a service", but that tax get's added no matter if your using a CC or not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

How does the tax get added if you don't use a credit card?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago

Because enough people use credit cards that businesses have felt compelled to raise prices across the board to compensate.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

When you get a credit card machine you sign an agreement saying something like transactions under X amount we, the credit card network company, will charge you 50c or any transactions over X amount we will charge your 1.5%.

Now as a business owner you raise prices 1.5% to cover this fee. If someone pays in cash, the extra 1.5% goes to you, if the customer pays with a card, the 1.5% goes to the card network .

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

Credit card fees get baked into the general price and are averaged between all the accepted cards. Hence cash transactions and lower-fee cards (debit, credit with less benefits) end up paying more of the share of the higher-fee cards.

It's well explained in the following video: https://youtu.be/OceYCEexDqQ

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

In Italy it's illegal to raise the price if you are using a credit card. The price needs to be the same no matter the payment method

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The same price must be charged for products purchased with credit card or cash. Otherwise the card provider will withdraw their service from the retailer. So the credit card margin is added to every price.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

card provider will withdraw

Dubious, as I regularly see gas stations with separate cash vs card prices. I've seen small businesses offer discounts for cash, too. And it's not like visa is going to stop processing cards because walmart started offering cash prices. It's just scare tactics. And for big companies, people who pay in cash offer bigger profit margins, so it's not like they are incentivized to help the situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Actually true, but outdated. There was a massive decade long $30b legal fight that eliminated credit card network’s “anti-steering” provisions. Those were contractual terms that retailers signed that prohibited them from offering different prices for cash and card. Some retailers have responded by offering different prices, or otherwise adding a processing fee to card transactions as a result of that settlement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the vast majority did nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Obviously it varies from business to business. Some may not want the hassle, some may see consumer sentiment against fees and not feel it’s worth the impact. Some are content to merely leave prices 3% (or more) higher.

Ultimately, very few businesses price things based on their costs…instead they price based on what they think people are willing to pay, or what the market will bear.

It’s also worth considering, at the scales of many of these businesses, accepting and handling cash is very much not a free option. If I’m a supermarket chain, I pay a card company a few percent and maintain my payment terminals and I magically get my income deposited daily directly in my preferred bank account. I’ve got some risk with stolen cards and chargebacks, but the big Chip Card and Mobile Wallet rollouts have dramatically limited my exposure to that liability.
With cash I have a substantial cost to handle, collect, count, and deposit at each location. I have concerns about counting accuracy, interval and external theft, counterfeit currency, purchasing change from my local bank (which typically has a fee assessed for businesses), etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Cause they can't charge more for CC purchases so they raise the prices for everyone.