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Activist says trans people can’t trust Democrats to protect them anymore (www.independent.co.uk)

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In the face of ‘eradication’, one trans activist is preparing to fight – and she’s sick of silence and neglect from her supposed allies. Raquel Willis tells Io Dodds why Republican bathroom bans are everybody’s problem

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like I said. I want our government to move left. The only difference between me and you is you aren’t actually trying to improve anything. You think that by spreading misinformation about democrats (all of which I called out and you’ve had no response to) you will somehow move the Democratic Party left. At least that’s the bad faith argument. In reality what you are doing is handing the government over to the GOP by doing their work for them. But you know that because you’ve made it pretty clear that you’re doing it intentionally.

You either build, or destroy. You choice is pretty clear imo.

Right and as I’ve shown, you’re spreading misinformation about democrats and in the process you’re helping the GOP. So it’s pretty clear you’re not building anything.

Fuckin lol, X to doubt. This you?

Yeah, and this was also me from the same post, sharing sources from the article in the meme:

So the writer came to this conclusion after reading [this](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html) other article that came to it’s conclusions from this:

I examined the data from the most recent[ ](http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV6.jsp)[World Values Survey](http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV6.jsp) (2010 to 2014) and[ ](http://www.europeanvaluesstudy.eu/page/survey-2008.html)[European Values Survey](http://www.europeanvaluesstudy.eu/page/survey-2008.html)(2008), two of the most comprehensive studies of public opinion carried out in over 100 countries. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on a spectrum from far left to center to far right. I then plotted the proportion of each group’s support for key democratic institutions. (A copy of my working paper, with a more detailed analysis of the survey data, [can be found here](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fOGwtRUF-y-98IcDs-3YYrtREl8GbaoH/view).)

Basically two surveys from over a decade ago that survey people across the planet. Not in the US…

In other words the writer is trying to present their opinion as fact.

Gee, I wonder why you would leave out the context. Then again, you don’t even read your own sources so why would you read mine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And like I said, I am tired of this blowhard v blowhard retort trading walls of text. I’m doing this for free, and you’re clearly committed to your path.

I will though take back the build or destroy, because while I disagree with your premises and approach that we can intelligentsia and market research our way out of authoritarianism/fascism by making moderate appeals, you are building outside Lemmy, albeit your online comments is only serving to reinforce alienation and the navel gazing elites perception by dunking on leftists/progressives. Not everyone who disagrees is a troll/accelerationist - I went to your comments to understand your positions better, and saw the pervasive infantilizing tone, nitpicking, and picking fights without standing tall on anything until challenged. And you doggedly took any challenge to the bitter argumentative end, like we have here, unless your opponent gives up.

I will however push back on your mischaracterization of me as a troll/GOP shill however - I’m challenging the party’s comfortable narratives because they refuse any meaningful feedback except a bi-yearly electoral acid test. I want them to do better electorally and deny the GOP any space, and that starts with recognizing problems, criticism of errors and mistakes - especially repeated mistakes, shutting out the voice of the people in primaries, and turf wars over district races. “My way or the highway” is a road to ruin, unless you’re willing to wield the fascist tools necessary to enforce that political elitist reality. Build a coalition by including the wings and enforcing that unity from the moderate Dems to support the whole party (and vice versa), not throwing trans/gay/migrant/etc rights under the bus because messaging basic human decent to D+0 districts is harder than it should be.

That’s the work I expect the party to do if it wants to be a big-tent left wing party that domineers over the left wing political landscape. If it’s more comfortable ceding space rightward to the Overton window, because leftists ‘have no other choice than us’ don’t be surprised when voters see the cynicism and abandon the party. Like over 10 million of them did recently, and gave us Trump again. Otherwise reform the voting structure to permit a coalition that works together, instead of enforcing orthodoxy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

your online comments is only serving to reinforce alienation and the navel gazing elites perception by dunking on leftists/progressives

Leading up to the election there have been a lot of anti-democrat sentiments being brigaded on lemme like “both sides are the same” or “democrats bad, don’t vote/vote 3rd party”. The large majority of which are coming from lemmy.ml, a tankie community that loudly parrots Russia propaganda like “Russia is only defending themselves in Ukraine, etc”. Given the fact that we know Russia has online bots and all we have to do to learn their talking points is go lemmy.ml and given the fact that sowing apathy for democrats reduces voter turnout, it is safe to say that the “leftist” sentiment that democrats = bad are at the very least being amplified by foreign actors.

I’m not going to let them push their misinformation without calling it out.

As far as the legitimate progressives that arent bad faith actors that actually want to improve the state of America:

Voting rewards the majority. Leftists are one of the smallest voting ideologies, so they hold the least amount of power in our democracy. Yet they constantly shit on their allies in the Democratic Party, refuse to work with any other ideologies and claim they know how to win elections better than the DNC. All while they continue to lose elections.

For leftist/progressives to make any impact on our government, they need to stop shitting in potential allies long enough to increase their numbers.

I went to your comments to understand your positions better, and saw the pervasive infantilizing tone, nitpicking, and picking fights without standing tall on anything until challenged.

Tone cannot be read. That is why indicators like “/s” exists because you can’t tell the tone of someone’s tone by reading text. You already have an imaginary version of my voice and attitude as you read those words, based on your own emotions.

I’m challenging the party’s comfortable narratives because they refuse any meaningful feedback except a bi-yearly electoral acid test. I want them to do better electorally and deny the GOP any space, and that starts with recognizing problems, criticism of errors and mistakes - especially repeated mistakes, shutting out the voice of the people in primaries, and turf wars over district races.

If leftists had meaningful feedback they would be winning more elections than democrats. For you to know how they can do better electorally you need to already be in a better position electorally.

not throwing trans/gay/migrant/etc rights under the bus because messaging basic human decent to D+0 districts is harder than it should be.

This is what I’m talking about. There are communities out there that are very anti trans/gay/migrant/etc. Telling them they are wrong and expecting to win their vote will not work. You have to be willing to work with people you don’t agree with before you can get a chance to change their minds. When democrats do this, leftists act like democrats are condoning those ideologies.

If it’s more comfortable ceding space rightward to the Overton window, because leftists ‘have no other choice than us’ don’t be surprised when voters see the cynicism and abandon the party. Like over 10 million of them did recently, and gave us Trump again.

Control over the DNC will not be handed over to leftists. Leftists must win enough elections to take the DNC by numbers. Until that happens, leftists have to court potential allies like the DNC or let their numbers drop.

Trump only earned 2,282,076 more votes than Harris… less than a quarter of the 10 million you are claiming. If it were for the economic conditions caused by the pandemic Trump would not have won again.

With that said, I genuinely want our country to move left and if you are genuine then I hope you get what you want and that America is better for it. <3 u bb ttyl