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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No evidence for my claim, however I think a lot of the not noticing bikes while driving is just an expectations thing. People expect large metal boxes with 4+ wheels barreling down the place. They don't expect something smaller, with fewer wheels, and in some cases completely silent. Because they don't expect it, they don't process it.

What's this mean? Well, for one it means we don't simply "ignore" people on bikes. That's a facet of our limited attention and expectations. It also means this trend can be changed. If we condition people to expect and look out for bikes/motorcycles, people will probably be FAR less likely to not see them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You are absolutelt right. There is at least a study that proved that drivers who also use bicycles are better at noticing stuff. The rationale would be that if you are also a cyclist you know thst the road is not only used by cars.

If you are interested I can problably find that study.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Having data to back up my claims is always nice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Having infrastructure like a bike lane can help with this. If you see a bike lane, it is reasonable to assume a bike may be using it. This can help keep you looking for bikes at intersections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

People below you just continue the circlejerk, but I'll address you directly. Yes, if we throw a ton of effort at training drivers to also use bikes, and expect this effect to hold as strong outside a study environment - it could work. People really do just ignore bikers though. Even bikers did it.