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China announced Tuesday it is banning exports to the United States of gallium, germanium, antimony and other key high-tech materials with potential military applications, as a general principle, lashing back at U.S. limits on semiconductor-related exports. 

The Chinese Commerce Ministry announced the move after the Washington expanded its list of Chinese companies subject to export controls on computer chip-making equipment, software and high-bandwidth memory chips. Such chips are needed for advanced applications. 

The ratcheting up of trade restrictions comes as President-elect Donald Trump has been threatening to sharply raise tariffs on imports from China and other countries, potentially intensifyi

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fair enough, that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1445285/gallium-share-of-production-worldwide-by-country/

As of 2022, China basically produces all (98.4%) of the world's gallium.

... Statista has much more great info, but unless you want to pay for a subscription or spend a day hopping through proxy IPs... yeah, good luck.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The previous article says: "The largest global producers of gallium are Russia, Germany, Australia, and France. "

Ok, looking at this: https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/energie/china-seltene-metalle-100.html

I can see that the reason China became this huge producer is because everyone else decided to stop and by from them instead, though that doesn't mean they can only rely on China for it.

But indeed it is now the largest gallium and germanium producer.

And Gallium is combined to make late-factorio stuff, so him who controls the Gallium, controls the future.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

late-factorio stuff

That's how we're saying 'high-tech' now?

...fine, I dig it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They produce 98% percent of low-purity Gallium. We produce plenty of high purity Gallium, and Gallium, like Germanium, comes from Zinc mining. Which we still do plenty of in the US. So if we need more high quality Gallium, it's not going to be hard to get.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ah, so it's not a matter of "that's where the gallium is", it's "might as well buy it from China if they're sellin' it", same as the dollar store

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if the places in the US producing high-quality gallium are using poor-quality Chinese gallium as feedstock though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They are, but we have plenty of Zinc mining we can get it from ourselves. It's just an economics matter, so we'd subsidize that. We only use enough to fill one truck load per year. So it's likely we'd just get a defense contractor to do it and subsidize it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I will add that this isn't really that huge of a deal:

https://cybernews.com/editorial/gallium-germanium-semiconductor-alternatives/

The US and any other developed country can produce it, they just choose not to since the demand isn't that economical to go out of your way to mass produce:

A single truck could carry all the gallium that the US reportedly consumes each year. Most of the 18 tons of silvery metal are imported from China, the world's largest producer.

(From the article I linked)

Not enough for a business to specialize in the material. But, seeing as the US does produce a lot of zinc and aluminum and it can be refined as a byproduct of those materials, I won't be surprised if a company steps up to fill the gap after awhile.

Really, just read the article I linked. It gives a good rundown on all this plus the germanium. Ultimately, this isn't that big of a deal for the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

If it became an issue we would over pay Raytheon to refine it.