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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Setting aside all the other issues, if you think creating a worker shortage (which might increase wages short term) will do anything good for your economy: it won't.

Historically economic growth is pretty closely tied to population growth. More hands create more value. Removing hands will make the remaining hands more valuable but there is still less value created. And the people that hold economic power aren't going to give up their share easily, so one way or another it will eventually mean even less for the workers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Creating an under class of people doesn't help. Look at the South vs the North. The south had slaves, the north largely did not. The north has much more industry.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There was population growth in the late 1800s, it wasn't until the population got paid more that the economy took off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

While that's true, the capitalists where getting richer and richer even before the big economic growth. They don't really care. Also, the wage increases had to be hard fought for by a united working class. I don't see american workers unite right now to fight the rich.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Without exploitable labor employers will have to pay employees more. Workers won't have to fight, they can do nothing and wages will still increase.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They can move production to places with available labour. You know for example the places you deported all that labour to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Which is where the tariffs come in. Helps balance everything out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

By making the products more expensive while your wages stagnate? How's that balancing anything out?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why will wages stagnante?

A rising tide raises all boats or in this case wages.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Not if the work follows the workers outside of the US

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I read your non-response, which is why I asked how wages will stagnate to your response to tarrifs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The argument was that wages rise if labour is scarce. My counter is that labour will just be moved outside with the people, thus countering the scarcity, thus making wages stagnate rather than increase.

Somehow tariffs are supposed to balance this out. Which is really the nonsense in all of this.