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United we stand, divided we fall. (files.sfba.social)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The right to not be genocided... apparently negotiable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd just like to highlight how unhelpful this type of discussion is.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

It lines up with the message of the image. If you're willing to sacrifice one set of rights then all rights are up for negotiation as well. Feel free to explain to me how that's not the case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Did throwing the election to Trump and the Republicans do anything to help save Palestine or end the war?
How would you describe what happened on October 7th, 2023?
Are you willing to concede that the Palestinians also have had agency and culpability in the events that have lead up to today?
Do you accept that calls for "Palestine to be free, from the river to the sea", as well much of the historical rhetoric of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, has been openly calling for genocide against Israeli Jews?
Would you be willing to acknowledge that both Israelis and Palestinians have some loose historical claim to the Levant based on the tribal lineage of their people going back >3000 years?
Would you describe Islam as a "religion of peace" even though it was spread almost entire through violent conquest going back to ~600AD?
Do you believe in a two-state solution?
Do you believe that America has a duty to the protection and support of its own people over any duty to solve the problems of the rest of the world?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you believe that Israel has done anything wrong?

You’re jumping in full throated here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Of course Israel has done wrong things, as have the Palestinians. This is a war that has been going on for ~80 years in a part of the world that has been fought over and ruled by dozens of empires over the last 3000 years.

Both sides of this conflict are guilty of terrible shit, but none of that is worth holding American secular democracy hostage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Most of what you typed had nothing to do with America.