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[–] [email protected] 175 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Um, what does he think Antifa means? You notice how they almost exclusively use the abbreviation and hardly ever the full name? For those who might actually be unaware, it means Anti-Fascist.

Scott Adams is a fucking moron. He apparently thinks anti-fascists are actually pro-fascist. Dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He’s probably one of those people who think the nazis were socialists because nazi is short for “national socialist”.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Probably, despite the fact that Hitler himself said they weren't socialists.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

The socialists of the party were killed in Night of the Long Knives

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I mean but c'mon are we going to believe a word he said? /S

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

He wouldn't even need to say it - just look what the Nazis were which was basically fascism + racial science + antisemitism

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Or who conveniently forget about the Southern Strategy and the great party switch. Massive, massive mental gymnastics to put themselves on the 'right' side of history every time

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree with both of you, these two points kinda contradict each other.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just like North Korea is called DPRK: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The fascist use whatever words are in fashion to name themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many do think antifa is just a different word for socialist, so it’s not necessarily a contradiction.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a contradiction, though.

"Antifa are ANTI fascist - it's in the name!!"

"The Nazis weren't socialist - you could name yourself whatever you want!!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Except Antifa isn't a formal organization, it's a descriptor for an ideology. An organization can call itself anything, even if it isn't a proper descriptor, but an ideology is by necessity defined by its name.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I thought it was "I did Nazi that coming"

/S

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of conservatives have problems understanding words, especially words that apply to political beliefs. It's party ignorance and partly a result of years of indoctrination. One example, thinking that anyone who isn't hard-right is a 'socialist' or a 'commie' and not understanding that those aren't the same thing. Then, fascist... many people seem to think fascist means an authoritarian government, independent of any other qualities or beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

I mean, that's what most people imagine, when they think fascist and I think it's good enough.

Is every fascist government identical? No. But as near as makes no difference they are all the same type of asshole.

The rest of your points stand, however. People do not understand communism, socialism, nor Marxism.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You actually just proved their point by defining authoritarianism and calling it fascism. Fascist governments are authoritarian but that's just one aspect of it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I literally just pulled the first result on google...

And like I said for general conversations this definition is absolutely adequate.

It's like talking about American Democracy and someone goes "well, technically we're a Republic!"... Ok great...

The difference between fascism and communism is that people have generally a good idea of what a fascist government looks like, while they really don't understand the other terms.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I disagree that people generally have a good idea what a fascist government looks like, or else there wouldn't be this level of confusion. I think most people at best, know what countrys had a problem with fascism in the past, without any certainty of what parts of of those governments were where the fascism was, just guesses.

Thats why comparisons to nazis and such are so common I would say. People find it a lot easier to point out similarities to known fascism than to try and concisely point out the exact point where an action became "fascist"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I literally just pulled the first result on google...

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It's not good enough because fascism is specifically a form of right wing authoritarianism which includes hyper-capitalism, close relationship between the state and corporations, sexism, racism, and xenophobia. Otherwise we're back to the idea that a fascist dictatorship and a communist dictatorship are the same thing, which clearly they're not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it’s good enough.

Most of the time, yeah. We take these mental shortcuts to avoid a lot of unnecessary headache and talking.

Problem is, these shortcuts get hijacked by asshole grifters to push their own agenda in todays climate of tiktok and youtube shorts. And this is especially potent when the usual everyday use of the word is not good enough. Want another example: "What is a woman?" Same mental shortcut. Same method to exploit the shortcut. Same bullshit. Nuanced discussion not happening.

Sometimes, we just need to be precise in discourse. These people are intentionally not being precise. They hijack our mental shortcuts.

Another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4F6GVLBVcQ

But yeah, in everyday use it's good enough. Of course it is.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah but get into a debate with Scott Adams and like-minded morons and inevitably they'll try and pretend that Nazis were actually socialists because it was in their name. Never mind that was a throwback to some early party mergers and everything they said and did was ultra right nationalism. Strictly not fascism (that is the Italian variant) but aligned to it so closely that it broadly makes no odds.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I though Antifa were just radical cola purists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's a step too far!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Moreover, anti-fascist action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

It's not enough to just have an oppositional stance or something, it's the action that makes antifa.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I've heard more than one person on Fox News or other Right Wing stations call them Fascist Antifa.