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Bernie Sanders perfectly sums up Trump’s 2024 game plan in decades-old video
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I voted for Bernie (and later Hillary somewhat begrudgingly), but doesn't it piss you off though that Not Trump didn't work, though?
Like for a reasonable, ethical individual, that should 100% be enough.
So it speaks to the disinformation war going on and just how strongly Republicans control the national narrative. All of course further exacerbated by the internet, social media, and Citizens United.
Don't get me wrong, I'm aware Democrats need to embrace their own flavor of populism. Still, it pisses me off that Not Fascism isn't enough.
You're damn right it pisses me off. Over half the country voted to have a rapist, racist, felon, Russian asset as its face. For better or worse, Trump will become the default American for at least the next 4 years. I hate the thought of being associated with him in any way that makes a positive correlation. I've got co-workers and truckers coming into work praising this vile, atrocious excuse for a human being, not realizing they fucked themselves and the rest of us over. I'm more angry than I can accurately put into words. I really hope the people who were "on the fence" feel good about themselves. The first time was bad enough. This time, we knew the brown log wasn't a tootsie roll. We knew it was shit, and over half the country willingly took another bite. I just hate how the rest of us now have to smell it again.
Ultimately, it's still on the Democratic Party's campaign for failing to drum up enough turnout. There are plenty of popular progressive policies that would have not only brought out much more turnout from Democrat voters, but that are also popular with Republican voters
Conservatives have never been reasonable, ethical individuals. Slavery, Jim Crow, against women's suffrage, against the equal rights amendment, against social security, against gay and trans rights, the list goes on forever. The country's fight isn't to change a conservative's mind, it's to get enough of the non-conservatives to engage, protest, and vote such that they overwhelm the small but galvanized conservative base.
When you win on those issues, those conservatives don't change their mind. They continue to support slavery, or voter suppression, or the issues of their time, but eventually they die off. Then you have new fights with the new conservatives.
I'm going to go against the grain here a little, and bring up race. Sorry to people tired of id pol, but please hear me out in good faith.
I know this is going to sound inconceivable to a lot of people on Lemmy, but there are still parts of the American voter base that cannot conceive of having a president that is black/mixed race AND a woman. They don't care about fascism, they don't care about policy, they care about the skin color and gender of their chosen leader.
Remember, Donald Trump rose as a direct response to the election of Obama.
We can pretend we live in a post-race, post-sexism society, but to pretend this wasn't a factor when hate crimes have been on the rise for multiple minority groups says otherwise. All these people coming out of the woodwork post-election results to threaten women and black people says otherwise. Wayne Gretzky and his entire family was at Trump's victory party in Mar-A-Lago, and most of the hockey fandom gave ZERO fucks.
I actually wonder if they would have done better if Tim Walz was first on the ticket instead of Harris.
I mean the DNC was promising... Almost nothing. Say what you want but that lesser evil nonsense is not democracy and there was no way it was ever gonna work.