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Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

In hindsight it seems obvious, but to be honest I really thought Kamala would have fared better.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

We all did, you're not wrong.

It's a sad reality we all woke up to on Wednesday. Learning that the majority of Americans are ignorant, racist, misogynistic, selfish assholes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We all did

No, we did not "all" think so, a lot of us have been saying this for quite a while. In fact since at least the 2016 election cycle started in 2015.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty much lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

When you mean "all", I wonder who you group in that conception.

Not all of us believed Kamala would win. A good group of people were calling out Kamala's shit since the DNC, and everything since. With the direction of the campaign, you had a good chance to predict Kamala's underperformance.

Let's not kid ourselves here.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is what many said in 2016 after Clinton lost but we still did it again in 2020 and yet again in 2024. If I were a betting man I'd say that if there's sill an election worth having in 2028 we'll see another, even further right leaning, centrist Democrat win the nomination.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yoyo look, this guy's fucking nostradamus up in here, right? It's gonna happen just like this.

I'm thinking newsome is the "perfect" candidate for 28.

Whoever it is, I bet you, just like me can't wait to be told how stupid i am and actually great they are by credulous online political minds who call parroting the pundits talking points word-for-word fucking theory

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Progressives need to start picking a single nominee to get behind right now. Or we're getting whichever candidate the establishment wing of the party has already selected. Maybe they'll run Liz Cheney.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol i bet in 4 years we'll be beggin' for a moderate Dem like Cheney

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

And Democrats will run her if they think they can get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To me the main takeaway is that I live in a completely separate reality from most voters. I would have voted on a dead dog over Trump. He is mean, narcissistic and never shows any empathy. On top of that he is clearly losing his wits. If a majority of voters prefers a candidate like this, is even enthusiastic to vote for him, what can you do?

I also know that Lemmy skews left, but I think we have to face the fact that most voters have no ability to empathise with those worse off. There is no left wing politics without empathy and solidarity. What most of us here want is dead.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think social media has put everyone in their own eco chamber.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is true to an extent. Social media made it much easier to spread misinformation that allowed for the total shattering of consensus reality. Which had been under intense duress for the better part of a century anyways

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Is the majority enthusiastic to vote for him? His own campaigning rallies were a snorefest, as far as we saw.

For me the main "a-ha" here is that so many people apparently still believe his stupid story that he is a guy who makes deals to fix the economy. Instead of a con-man. I have no idea why democrats were not able to destroy this "economic leader" image that he has built. Or why Harris and Walz did not focus on the issue every poll in the last month did say was the most important one: the economic situation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It was also copium. After the infamous debate we all knew Biden wouldn’t win and had made a mistake.

The fact that he actually backed down just gave a lot of enthusiasm to what could come next. It was historic and made us all stop focusing on the fact that he should have never ran for 2024 in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that he actually backed down just gave a lot of enthusiasm to what could come next.

The fact that the party listened just fucking once was what generated the enthusiasm. That died when it became crystal clear that no further listening would happen.