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Again, I appreciate the information but "revolution" is a nebulous term. What's the realistic plan to get there?
I'd believe that if we had enough participation. Look at the number of eligible voters, then look at the margins on every single candidate and issue. If enough people had voted, we would have literally put fascism behind us and had election reform. First past the post would be a distant memory. Which again, is the absolutely required first step before 3rd-party candidates become viable in the US.
Voting works if enough people vote. But we do have the numbers! I realize getting people to participate is the harder problem than just saying an ideology will solve everything, but that's the world we live in. Any realistic plan for revolution must at least include voting as long as voting is still an effective part of progress.
Are you asking how do we organize for revolution? How do we conduct it? How do we know it's fairly inevitable, and needs to be prepared for? All have different readings I can recommend, and questions I can answer.
One thing I do think is just fantasy is the idea that if "enough people" voted we could have all the things you listed. People don't pick policy, politicians do, and the politicians we are allowed to pick from are intentionally limited to pro-status quo individuals.
Secondly, you make a critical misunderstanding of fascism. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, it can't be voted out. It isn't an ideology to adopt, but something that rises with deterioration of Capitalism and Imperialism. I recommend reading at least the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds to truly understand what fascism is, who it serves, why it rises, and how to banish it forever.
I am not saying "an ideology will solve everything." I am saying that voting is ineffective at protecting working class interests, and explaining why that is. I am additionally telling you what is necessary instead of hoping voting will fix anything, as we just saw, voting failed. I am sorry, I know that voting is easier than building up Dual Power, organizing, reading theory, correctly analyzing the working class movements, educating the masses, and more, but I maintain that this is the path forward.
See, voting evidently isn't an effective part of progress, which is why I recommended the two most famous and revered works on the question of reform or revolution. Participation in bourgeois elections is good, but won't be anywhere close to the main path of success, it is a supplemental part of the whole.
"Without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement."