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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think the time has arrived for party diversification. If the DNC wants my vote back they’ll need to earn it back. I have thrice voted for them to avoid a Trump Presidency, and 2/3 of those attempts were unsuccessful.

No longer will my vote be held hostage by the people that will squander it. From now on I vote for who I want, not against who I don’t, since it apparently doesn’t matter anyway. At least this way I vote on my own terms.

Bernie is too good for us, we need someone like him with a shot at gaining popularity for policy stances not backed by one of the large establishment parties.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It really says something when the media browbeated minorities actively harmed by neoliberal policies into voting Democrat and never third party, and third party didn't even sway anything in any state.

I voted Green in 2016 in California and I regretted it. I voted Democrat in 2020 (knowing it doesn't matter, I live California), despite Sanders getting shafted a second time. I voted Harris in 2024, and I swallowed my morals to do it.

And I got nothing but Trump rolling out his plans his oligarchs planned since 1980.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Exactly. What did it accomplish? Jack shit.

The way to affect change in elections apparently is to unite the larger population around a single person/cause/issue. We just need to find ours and convince enough people.

Personally, I just want a country where we actually let people different than us live and prosper. Why the fuck is that such a hard thing to have???

I have family and friends that are POC, gay, trans, and/or physically/mentally disabled. Why should they have to put up with policies and leaders that vilify them for simply being who they are?

Why do we accept normalized medical debt?

Why do we accept a constantly eroding education system?

Why do we not scale minimum wage consistent to inflation?

I know the real answers, but I think more of the population needs to vote based on the results of them asking themselves why this is the norm and find the candidate willing to fix that shit.

I have a feeling it won’t be an establishment Democrat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What is says is that the Green Party has always been a joke that exists solely to trick idealists like yourself into throwing away your vote every 4 years.

The reason they didn't vote third party is because it's always been a joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't like this argument. Ideally Republicans and Democrats should be giving olive branches to the larger third parties, whom you voted for in the primary. I'd much rather see a third party base putting pressure on topics, that's the whole point of having third parties. It's like a political game of chess and you shouldn't have to default to a 2 partily echo chamber.

Same could be said of boycotting the election all together. It's a power play in order to motivate the parties to change.

The point of the two parties should be earning your vote by representing you. Skipping the primary for Biden's replacement was the downfall of this election because it weakened the support of the candidate before she even started.

On the flip side, I do agree that Jill Stein is a grifter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

If they were serious parties, they wouldn't disappear for 4 years, only to come out of their hole for one presidential election, before disappearing again. That's not how you create a successful or even viable party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're blaming the egg for hatching into a chicken. It's a useless brand of logic, really.