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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I never really understood the need for that strickt controll of the hardware... Who cares if Linux is sideloaded or if students unenroll. Imho I think if you need that strickt controll you are bound to get so many unnesseary issues down the line. Instead let student 6se what ever the fuck they want and for security just make sure they WiFi/ethernet is secure and locked down and any services the students need are behind a secure 2fa login. Treat any device as untrusted is more healthy for your security in the long run imo. If students need special software that they can't run on their own machines you can lend them a machine for that specific task for a specific time. Problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's because the school district is responsible for how the devices are used. If your kid gets around the content block and you, an ultraconservative, finds your kid watching porn, you are definitely going to do something about it.

[–] pythonoob 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And of course blame the school instead of the child at fault, naturally...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You blame the school instead of your parenting which is at fault*

Usually kids "misbehave" in public because of close-minded parents or parents who try to control their kid too much, and most of all parents who don't encourage good behaviour correctly. Parents really like to blame their kid for behavioural issues when in reality they're the reason it's a problem. (Especially with e.g. people who have disabilities like Bipolar, Autism, ADHD, parents internally blame their kid for everything and punish the kid, even though the disturbances caused by the disorders are something you can address and help the kid with with good parenting)

I suspect most of the kids who do that kind of stuff are neurodivergent and either undiagnosed or not treated correctly by their parents and not given proper treatment

[–] pythonoob 1 points 1 year ago

Don't disagree at all, was just making a topical comment, not trying to do a deep dive

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way it's the schools fault if the kid sidloads anothe os. That should strip the responsibility and it's the parents problem. Ultraconservatives can just stfu. about this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should, yes. But that’s not going to stop them from trying. Enough noise from a “concerned parent” will make something happen more often than not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is why we can't have nice things

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I never really understood the need for that strickt controll of the hardware

Federal laws and rules for educational technology:

CIPPA - https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/childrens-internet-protection-act

COPPA - https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/rules/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule-coppa

and to an extent

FERPA - https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Actually in your case our school has a BYOD program (bring your own device) in which you can bring your own laptop with whatever flavor of OS. Firewall would restrict you, your device would be considered untrusted, and in testing a loaner locked down chromebook would be provided. The issue comes with non BYOD devices.

Now lets assume a school has 1k students. If they allowed os unlocking and allowed students to tinker with the os. Then they would need 2k chromebooks 1k unlockable 1k locked down for exam administration (assume the whole school needs to take it at the same time). From a admin/IT perspective why should the school need to pay double the number of chrome books just for a few students to install their favorite brand of linux.

Even under the best circumstances where support queries aren't increased (from students softbricking/ not knowing how to use linux) and say they are able to preserve 1k unlockable chromebooks, admins would still need to replace the other 1k locked down chrome books at end of software to stay in compliance with testing software (negating any financial benefit).