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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Just to be clear, Hamas does not want to eradicate the Jews. That is a myth propagated by Israel.

Hamas wants to eliminate Israel, by which they mean they want Israel replaced by an Arab-majority state in which both Jews and Arabs live. (Hamas want the return of 4 million Palestinian refugees to Israel/Palestine, which would make it an Arab-majority state.)

Furthermore, they have indicated they are open to negotiating a Two-State solution.

I don't think it makes any sense to portray Hamas as unreasonable for wanting Arabs to control the whole land (from the river to the sea) when Israel want the same thing for Jews.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Why does Hamas get to say they want to eradicate Israel as a state and have Arab-majority control over the region, but Israel doesn't get to say they want to control the entire region? What makes who correct to say that in either case?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

but Israel doesn't get to say they want to control the entire region?

What do you mean Israel doesn't "get" to say that?

Israel does say that, and Israel does control the entire region, and almost every Western power allows them to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess I meant to ask why is it morally okay for Palestinians to want to do that, but not morally ok for Israelis to want to do that. Is it because Israel is an apartheid, ethnostate?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Palestinians want the right to return from where they were ethnically cleansed, Israel wants to maintain a Jewish majority state.

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