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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Where are you seeing this?

The article claims that she has total stock market index funds in her retirement account and not individual oil and gas shares…

They even link the full financial disclosure that reveals as much: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/un8w34x8anzochjjik2dw/2024-Stein-PFD.pdf?rlkey=no0vsygaof1096tgm3843kwup&st=10vwoc8x&dl=0

This is literally insulting to anyone with any understanding of “investments”:

In January 2024, Stein reported having between $250,001 and $500,000 invested in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index Fund (VXUS), which invests in TC Energy Corp, owner of the Keystone XL Pipeline. Stein profits from the Keystone XL Pipeline she claims to oppose.

This is a super sketchy way to portray a very normal total market index funds…

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Surely, if you're the Green party leader, you would simply not invest in that particular index fund, and probably would not invest at Vanguard either. When people say you should "divest from fossil fuels", it obviously also means taking your money out of these index funds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

It's funny how easy it is, but no, let's jump through hoops to justify it.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is literally the entire stock market, excluding US. All publicly traded companies worldwide. It's the epitomy of the "set it and forget it" investment strategy. If you don't know how to invest, this, coupled with VTI and a bond ETF or two, would be exactly what you would own, and nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

You would, if you don't give a shit, yes.

But if you're actually fighting for a green transition, this is definitely not what you buy. Especially if you have the kind of money available to you that she has. Putting your money where your mouth is incredibly important. I don't even know why I am repeating this — the article put it quite succinctly.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

She could've used fossilfreefunds.org to pick something that wasn't invested in oil or prison slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is also what you would invest in if you don’t want any appearance of conflict of interest with your political aspirations. Y’all gotta let this one go

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, people here clearly do not understand that this is the most benign investment strategy that could exist.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

And everybody knows that total market includes fossil fuel and arms companies. That is why there are ESG funds, which do exclude the really nasty companies. Those are pretty easy to buy and can also cover a large field of investments. She has lobbied for divestement from fossil fuels, so she should very much be aware that those options are around, while this has been pointed out for nearly a decade. So really no excuse for that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want to get rid of fossil fuels by investing with a company that gives money to fossil fuels!

Surely you can see the problem there?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago

You're the reason financial literacy needs to be taught in schools. I don't even support the existence of investing, but you need to look up how index funds work.