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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (27 children)

I cringe every time I see this come up.

Because it isn't what you actually mean, and the horrible logic of it makes it easy for the Lemmy Lefties to dunk on.

Of course a 3rd party vote isn't a vote for Trump any more than it is a vote for Kamala.

What it actually is is a discarded opportunity to vote against Trump. Which is also dispicable, but actually accurate.

Everyone knows that's what you mean by this, but the Lemmy Lefties will play dumb and latch onto that logical fallacy every time.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (58 children)

It's the trolley problem again. This time, you have 3 tracks and 2 switches. The trolley is headed towards 5 people, one switch sends it to 1 person, and the other switch would send it to 0 people, but it's broken. Voting third party is pulling the broken switch, knowing the 5 people will die but you've shifted the responsibility from yourself to whoever was supposed to fix the switch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I like your analogy. Let me expand.

This same situation happens every day. For years now, 1 person has died every day. Nobody pulls the broken lever, but if people started pulling it, it would start working. For the first couple days or weeks, 5 people would die each time, but eventually we would be able to get the train on a safe track.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

The whole post is an example of a propaganda technique where you keep repeating one thing over and over until it becomes a default thing where people don't even question the logic.

The ones capable of refuting it feel tired because of the sheer number of posts while the vulnerable ones get affected.

Today both sides "feel" that the use of this propaganda is fair game cuz the other side is already doing it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Excellent analogy. If anyone still plays dumb after reading this, they probably are

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They loved Bernie and praised him to the skies.

Then he endorsed Biden and Harris.

Now he's a 'sheepdog' that rounds up people to be slaughtered.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If nobody votes 3rd party then we'll never have a 3rd party candidate that matters.

It's like bicycle infrastructure. Nobody wants to ride bikes on a highway, but you won't see bike riders until there's a trail somewhere for them to ride on. You can say it never matters and that there aren't any cyclists out there, but you're wrong. I think there's a lot of Americans looking for another party right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Under FPTP, we'll never have a 3rd party candidate that matters.

The 2-party system is a direct, mathematical result of FPTP + time.

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