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[–] [email protected] 144 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (40 children)

im convinced at this point that the "don't vote or you support genocide" thing is a russian troll campaign

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

80% Russian campaign and 20% reaction to being lectured constantly by people who will forget that progressive votes are needed to beat Republicans when it comes time to pick a new candidate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I would agree. Its like 80% russian disinfo or israeli settlers (I would love to see the IPs here) and like 20% people who feel icky about voting for a dem and are doing mental gymnastics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Progressive votes are already counted out. We know there will always be smug pseudo-intellectual “leftists” that will hold their vote as a threat to democracy if the don’t get their way with [current thing]. You do this every election year.

The problem is, you think people are going to give in to your demands when there is SO much more at stake than a war in a country you people couldn’t even locate on a map a year ago.

So no, you all can keep your votes. It’s too late to reason with trolls. The rest of us will be happy enough to not have to deal with you once you all disappear November 5th.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

It's the same in my Eastern European country - Russians run two troll campaigns:

  • to disenfranchise any pro-democratic voters, with slogans like "all candidates are shit and corrupt, you should hate them, politics, and the whole democratic process"

  • to boost nationalist, far-right, anti-establishment parties - there are several of them to cast a wider net over the electorate, and they can assemble together to run their always pro-Russian politics after getting in Parliament

It's the dame playbook everywhere they care to get results and undermine their enemies.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty strong clues that it’s organized bullshit propaganda.

  • negative against democrats while never mentioning republicans
  • illogical since Trump is worse on the issue
  • fails to address voting system issues that make 3rd party useless
  • supporters rarely engage in real discussions and just repeat insulting slogans
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

supporters rarely engage in real discussions and just repeat insulting slogans

To be fair, with a stance so immensely stupid, there isn't much else to say.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Been saying it for weeks. Nobody with half a brain would fall for that shit.

A vote against Harris is a vote against protecting America. That may not be true next election(fuck, I hope it's not), but right here...right now....it's true.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It will absolutely true next election. Democrats will keep undermining progressives and running weak and ineffective candidates until the dice fall badly and the fascists win. That's how these cycles always go.

Every election will be more dangerous than the one before until elections stop. The next Trump will be far more capable than the rapist toddler we're dealing with now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

yeah, we all know that. "the next trump" has been waiting in the wings since that guy got stabbed in ancient Rome. democracy requires all of us to complain and demonstrate.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

It's kind of obvious

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The genocide will continue no matter who wins. The argument is dumb.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like a hell of a system.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Campaign locally to change the system - we need more places to use preferential voting like ranked choice before third parties will matter.

Until that happens, you can either work within the system that does exist or decide that your feelings matter more than the results 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (9 children)

From my perspective, I am the one that cares about results more than feelings, and "blue no matter who" voters are the opposite. The results of democrat leadership have been a horror show of ghoulish support for genocide. The current administrations policies have directly resulted in tens of thousands of deaths (at least) in Gaza. I see a lot of democrats expressing feelings about how Biden and Kamala are actually good people, and are working hard towards a ceasefire. Let me know when to expect another result.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Yes, the system sucks, and we should do what we can to fix it.

What is also important is Order of Operations. It will be much harder (if not impossible) to effect any positive change on the systems that be if the orange orangutan wins the election, while those changes will be at least possible under the leadership of the blue candidate.

I like to think that people who are not able to figure this out are victims of republican/russian propaganda. To think otherwise would be both depressing and enraging and I have too much of my own shit going on to deal with any of that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Sure, but one side seems to be advocating for more of the same shittiness we've had for decades, and the other side for a final solution to the Palestinian problem. It's not like the choices are equal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I've got a question for you... I'm sure you are familiar with the famous, "First They Came" sermon/poem/whatever by Martin Niemöller? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

At what point during that poem would you consider a genocide underway? Would it be when they started murdering all of the communists? Or maybe after they eliminated all of the trade unionists?

Let's extend that poem to include all of the categories of people that the Nazis killed:

They started with trans people, was it a genocide yet? How about after they started including homosexuals?

Maybe it becomes a genocide when they go after the mentally and physically disabled?

Or does it only become a genocide when they go after the Jews?

Obviously, the answer is all of the fucking above.

Guess what: Genocide very much can and does get worse. Much much worse. This concept that it is all or nothing is completely ahistorical and illogical.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Guess what: Genocide very much can and does get worse. Much much worse.

Sounds like you agree it's bad enough now to want to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Bad enough to do what is in my power to reduce it. Which means voting for Harris.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's been my experience on Lemmy recently too. It feels like there is a push to disenfranchise to "teach them a lesson we dont support genocide by ensuring a somewhat more genocidal maniac gets in instead".

I get the sentiment, but it ignores the two party system, and not voting does not fix that broken system, it ensures it. And I think the trolls know this too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

somewhat more genocidal maniac

Somewhat?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Several of my alt accounts have been banned across the fediverse for calling out such nans. I figure if my alts get banned for that, then I should block them from my main.

(if anyone takes offense to me having "several" alts, that's because without using 3rd party apps you can't categorize interests like reddit's multis feature without just having multiple accounts with their own sub list.)

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