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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don’t really mind if you disagree because sadly cops will always be a part of modern society. So making them better is important to future generations

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fuck what you call "modern sociey" if it requires cops.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Okay, what about calling it current society? I don’t see current society being able to change this for a long long time

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The main function of cops is to protect the bourgeois, white-supremacist, patriarchal, colonialist state. I would like to get rid of the latter, so the former needs to go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So if and when we make that happen, and we have a society free of that stuff, do we think everything will always be perfect and free of conflict and no one will break the (hopefully much improved) laws? That seems unlikely, so we'll need some kind of way of keeping the order, right? Will it not be the responsibility of a specific job? Will there be people with that job but we won't call them any of the names we currently have for that general job category?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You won't be able to recognise the so-called "justice system" or "order" in that hypothetical society, so no: that job won't exist anymore.

Yes, harm can still be done and this future society should and will find ways to prevent and/or heal that harm. Neither of these things are the police's job, so why should we call that hypothetical job like the old system of violence?

Even if you think that those things are done by the police: do you still call a shoe designer/manufacturer a cobbler?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is also why no one takes libertarians seriously

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

What kind of libertarianism? Left, or right-wing?

Your critique is a bit lacking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What a wonderful imaginary society, amazing that you'll solve all violence and crime, truly unbelievable

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Strawman. I literally said that "harm can still be done".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You must live in a very privileged bubble to think like that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The idea that people can live without some form of policing is ricidulous once you've seen some of the darker parts of humanity. Visit Haiti, Somalia, slums just about anywhere on the planet.

You sound like some 22 year old with a couple years of higher education, and now you think you have all the answers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

some form of policing = modern cops apparently

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You sound like a child who still believes what they told you in Paw Patrol.

So... do you know any of the history of Somalia and Haiti? How they got into that situation?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

One of my first memories is my father's domestic violence against my mother. She called the police. They laughed at her.

The one time they arrested him, no matter the physical evidence, no matter the testimony from any number of witnesses (e.g. neighbours), was when he kicked a police officer.

Fuck the police.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

*Dismissive wanking gesture*

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

This is the Trump dance i believe?