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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's actually still happening under Biden.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It’s actually still happening under Biden.

Its a bit more nuanced than that. That's like saying "people who wear seat belts still die". Well yes, that's a fact, but intentionally or not, you're making a claim without context and painting a picture in the mind of others that doesn't reflect reality.

Under the Trump administration’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy, separations were calculated and deliberate.

The goal of zero tolerance was to criminally prosecute all adult migrants who entered the country illegally. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would detain parents and transfer their children into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

“Cruelty was the point of that policy,” Langarica said.

Biden rescinded the policy in January 2021. Yet, three years later, more than 1,400 families remain separated, according to the latest update from the Family Reunification Task Force.

The report argues that separations have happened for decades, but under the Biden administration they are a result of bureaucratic processes, lack of transparency and accountability — not purposeful cruelty.

Source: https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/07/29/report-reveals-migrant-family-separations-continue-under-biden

You can find the latest Family Reunification Task Force progress reports here: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/family-reunification-task-force-progress-reports

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It's not a trump thing, it's an american thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Shit. The ratchet system in effect in the most grim way possible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i'm fascinated by your exchange in this thread:

it's common knowledge that biden has extended trump's draconian immigration laws; but you still needed a source for it? or was it that you didn't want to believe it? is it because you don't think biden would do something like this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It feels like people in this country focus on labeling organizations and people as good or evil.

If the Republicans are evil, then the Democrats must be the good guys.

What we should be doing is labeling actions as evil and enforce punishments for those who do these actions; regardless of who they are affiliated with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's common knowledge that biden has extended trump's draconian immigration laws;

Do you have a source for that?

I generally don’t take things random strangers say on the internet at face value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i'm trying to understand how you get your information since it's literally on the tv news channels and on the radio and online.

you've demonstrated a willingness to adjust your view with provided with evidence; but it's on a topic with so much evidence i genuinely curious at how it didn't reach you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The onus lies on the claimant. It’ll be trivial to find an obscure source saying whatever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in this case it's nbc, abc, cbs, google, bing, yahoo, reuters, new york times, the guardian, etc. not some obscure source.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cool. Since there's so much staggering evidence of this in the mainstream news, could you link to some? This is the third time someone is asking you for evidence now and you've yet to provide any.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if that's what it takes to get you to respond and I'll oblige: this literally took me less than 5 seconds on a google search:

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/03/23/family-separation-timeline https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218336878/immigration-family-separation-judge-settlement-border https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/07/immigration-family-separation/

Unless you think that the southern poverty law center; npr; and the washington post are obscure sources.

and now here's my 4th time asking how it's missed you; are you just not paying attention?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think you read through any of those stories fully. All they're describing is how the Trump administration separated all these people and the Biden administration has been trying to reunite them through his task force. Why they haven't finally united any of the remaining 1400+ families is not in any of these sources.

What is mentioned is how the Biden administration went to provide separated families with aid but of course why would any reasonable Republican vote for that when they're already trying to rip the families apart?

If your complaint is Biden didn't clean up Trump's mess fast enough for your liking, it's not a great argument.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The fact that those children are still separated from their parents?
Last I checked, Trump isn't president anymore.