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Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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If you believe exploiting a conscious AI being would be immoral, please hear me out (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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First, let's define being conscious as at least having a mind that is aware and has a will.

Maybe there's and argument if the being wishes to be used, but the argument I'm going to make is not about that.

The following is said without judgement because it's something I've done for most of my life before noticing and taking action.

If we recognize that a being (organic, silicon based or whatever) with a conscience should not be exploited and used against its will, there is no reason we should not apply the same principle to the animals we exploit and kill daily when we pay for their products. They should have a right to at least not be exploited.

Please take that into consideration and know that you can take action to stop this injustice. Check out the sub for more info and feel free to ask anything in the comments or DM me.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Veganism is an animal rights movement and these silicon based manufactured machines are not animals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I think we need to be cautious about this type of animal vs machine thinking, since ultimately all existences are "manufactured" in one way or another, and the main component (carbon or silicon) should not be a relevant criterion in morality. The ability to feel pain or form other forms of complex sentients, IMO, should.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Another counter point is there is no proof computers can process pain, since they do not have pain receptors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It's not about feeling pain, is about their will to live.

If the argument is only about pain/suffering, then 'ethical' meat becomes a thing and people would still ignore the being's will to live.

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