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  • Former Mesa County, Colorado, clerk Tina Peters was sentenced to nine years in prison for crimes related to a breach of her county's voting system.
  • Peters espoused the false conspiracy theory that Donald Trump lost the 2020 election to President Joe Biden due to ballot fraud.
  • She was accused of allowing access to the voting system to an expert affiliated with My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell, a leading proponent of the Trump election conspiracy theory.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Allowed access to the voting system as in to investigate or as in to tamper? One is hopefully unnecessary but harmless and one is obviously worthy of prison time, in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

She was not authorised to allow access, whatever the reason. You don’t get to break the law just because you think you have a reason.

Regardless, it was to tamper (or to find a way to tamper, more specifically).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not on board with the Law = Morality argument and I doubt you are.

Gandhi? Rosa Parks? MLK? Would you tell them they shouldn't have broken the law just because they think they have a reason?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Get a grip. It’s absolutely crazy to compare Tina Peters to MLK Jr., Rosa Parks, or Gandhi. These people fought against deep systemic injustice, risking their lives for civil rights and freedom. Peters’ actions, spreading lies tied to election denial and abuse of power, don’t come close to that level of sacrifice or historical importance. Trying to equate the two is a huge stretch and undermines the legacy of true leaders who changed the world for the better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not making the point that this person is as virtuous as any of the three that I named. I'm making the point that Law and Morality are not the same thing. Either you don't understand that or you do understand it and facing your crummy point earlier is making you upset.

Either way, find someone else to talk to because we're done here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What Tina Peters did is clearly immoral. She tampered with voting equipment and spread lies about election fraud, which directly undermines trust in democracy. I don’t care if she thought she was doing the right thing. Breaking laws meant to protect elections is not just wrong, it’s dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I agree with this comment, but it wasn't the basis of your earlier comment. You're accidentally or intentionally moving the goal posts because you want to fight and you want to be right at any cost.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From what I gathered in the article, she wasn’t allowed access. She stole someone else’s access card to get in. So, worthy of prison time absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm very much against that but not nearly as against the idea of transparency in voting.

The obvious drawback being it could affect the anonymity of voting, which is an essential cornerstone to healthy democracies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about with this irrelevant bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Do you think I'm inclined to answer your question when you ask it like that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

You don't think she deserves prison? Why?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your use of the word "you're" is bad and you should feel bad.

Edit: We all know what your edit was. Own it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is a shame that the article doesn't have those details.

Oh wait, it does!

Peters, 68, was convicted by a trial jury in August of seven criminal counts, including attempt to influence a public servant, conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, violation of duty, and failure to comply with secretary of state requirements.

She was accused of using another person’s security badge to allow someone else to gain access to her county’s election system.

The person who used that badge was affiliated with Mike Lindell, the CEO of My Pillow and a leading proponent of the claim that Trump’s defeat for a second term was due to ballot fraud.

There is no reason for this kind of access except to tamper, because the system is formally audited by people who don't have to sneak in through illegal access.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for summing it up for me and no thanks for the hostility! Reminds me of Reddit, so I feel right at home.

Yep, she should be in prison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sick of people trying to pretend like the people trying to interfere with elections would have some kind of non-malicious intent.

Also I was being snarky, not hostile. Words mean things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sick of people jumping down each other's throats when someone asks about something they don't know about.

So I guess we're both sick of each other. 🖕

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why are you still talking to me? Is it because you're lying about being sick of people like me and it's really that you enjoy being rude?

Going to have to figure out how to block people on lemmy now. May as well learn how on day 2, but it's a bit sooner than I expected.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm surprised you managed to figure out how to make a Lemmy account considering you can't even tell when more than one person responds to you. And acting all wounded when you didn't bother to RTFA and someone is kind enough to spoon feed you anyway is very reddit of you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've never spoken to you in my life

I am now suspecting that you are a russian NPC or a clueless boomer, maybe both. Bless you either way

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately the answer is usually Russian NPC