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I feel like a more accurate (though much less catchy) name for this community would be !fuckcarcentricsociety. Cars are awesome! They're fun to drive, feats of engineering, and in the right conditions like a rollercoaster without tracks. They just fucking suck when they're practically required to live. I'm as big a proponent for public transit, you shouldn't need a car to get to your job or grocery store, but you can't look at something like F1 and say that's not exhilarating.
Something that NotJustBikes brings up in one of their videos is that the Netherlands' incredibly bike- and public transit-oriented infrastructure makes driving a car (for those who want or need it) much more pleasant as well.
It's not even car centric in the US or you would have way more roundabouts instead of traffic lights.
I don't know what the US is, but it's shitty for everyone, including cars. The difference is, that cars are comfortable to sit in, but the actual driving is a nightmare compared to Europe. (And walking half a mile in the summer sun from the car to the stadium on a concrete parking lot should be attributed to car centric infrastructure too).
That's simply the paradox of car-centric design: It also sucks for cars. The only way to actually make driving better is to provide viable alternatives.
strong disagree. perhaps in the 60s and 70s - before we understood that ICE was spewing carbon dioxide and ruining the ecosystem sure.
Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.
If it were all electric powered by renewable resources harvested nearby I'd have less of an issue, but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children. "Sorry skippy, even we knew, we still didn't give a fuck to stop the silly games."
While I don't disagree that spectating races is boring, the amount of CO2 those put out pale in comparison to commutator traffic or the container ships running bunker fuel. We could have EV races and if each manufacturer entered their base models, could help with adoption. We could also make the ICE races run biogas(methane from antibiotic digesters) or biodiesel(tractor pulls could easily adopt that with only a small lowering of performance that all the tractors would share).
All consumption is.
Container ships are some of the most efficient things on the planet. Per person f1 has insane output
But are all the things they transport necessary? Is it necessary for them to burn bunker fuel? Fuel so dirty, they aren't allowed to burn it near the ports and have to switch to diesel. There's some effort to design sail container ships, but how much plastic shit or Fast Fashion shit do we need?
Oh certainly not. But they're certainly still much more worth it overall than an f1 race. I mean, I do have more extremist environment takes. I think fast fashion should be banned and most plastics too just outright
consumption for production is one thing, entirely optional, benefitting only one party entertainment coming at the cost of everyone else?
that's a dick move.
The emissions from 20 cars driving in circles for a few hours a week could continue until the end of humanity and still be just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of damage the production industry has done up to this point.
bud the bucket overflowed a long, long time ago. now it's pouring over the rim, and you're like: eh, it's just a few thousand tons of CO2 every year, for funsies, it won't matter.
it all matters. you're just too vroom vroom to fucking care.
The emissions from the cars themselves isn't even 2000 tons of CO2. That's 1/200000 of 1% of annual emissions. If you're that concerned, you shouldn't be on this site because the server, your computer, and your router are all adding CO2 to the atmosphere.
Sometimes the build race tracks specifically for single races. That's awful
Then you better not live in a house, turn your lights on, use your computer, go to the grocery store, go see a movie, go to a concert, buy anything at all, travel any other way than by foot. Or you could put your effort into something that'll actually make a difference.
quack quack quack, sure bud, you know the math, it's easy to figure out: you're adding to it... FOR FUN.
I don't.
Don't worry, one day you'll get there, and meanwhile, your children will rightfully despise you regardless.
Oh, so now it doesn't all matter?
If you really don't do anything fun that contributes to CO2 emissions, you don't do anything fun at all. Unless you live in the woods and survive off nuts and berries, you're doing something that contributes to worsening the atmosphere.
Yes, I live in society. I don't take my entertainment from watching idiots dump burned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, though. Only someone sick in the head sees that and thinks: ooh, ah, this is FUN.
this all really hurt feelings, didn't it, vroom vroom?
hope it keeps you up at night.
No, you just get your entertainment from arguing with strangers on the internet (which accounts for way more emissions than F1 does)
I'm gonna sleep so well tonight knowing I get to wake up tomorrow and watch vroom vroom while you watch paint dry
In the modern world, all consumable products are made with energy from fossil fuels or transported with fossil fuels. You need to be constantly thinking about the supply chain, even if you only use public transportation. Favoring Green or greener options the whole way or simply abstaining from certain optional activities.
oh shit, he's almost there..
and if those fossil fuels are for ENTERTAINMENT ITS EASY TO REDUCE THE ENTIRE LOAD RIGHT?
COME ON YOU ARE SO FUCKING CLOSE TO WAKING UP
I don't want to be put on a watch list by mentioning the certain key phrases that I would have to to continue this conversation.
I agree the environmental impacts are certainly an issue, but the emissions from the sport alone aren't that bad, the worst is from all the travel done on private jets between locations. They've also done some work towards being more eco-friendly. The cars run hybrid V6s instead of V10s and by 2026 will use fully renewable biofuel. There's also Formula E, which is an entirely electric motorsport.
There's just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can't. It's simply impossible to get the same amount of power as an F1 car from purely electric propulsion at the same weight.
so you know it's a problem, you know the sport's total footprint is the cause, you even point out THEY know it's wretched and are making half hearted efforts to someday maybe do something.
but you give them your attention.
but it's entertainment, not some mission critical life saving thing, it's to watch cars go fast driving in circles.
fuck me, our civilization deserves to collapse.
we deserve to collapse because we like to be entertained?
i wonder if what you used to type and send this comment onto the internet uses any sort of battery
when the specific entertainment is dicking around the ONLY FUCKIN' ATMOSPHERE WE HAVE yeah I think so.
you like the taste of smog? or is it simping for petroleum companies?
Or is the attraction fracking?
Watching the poles melt in real time?
Come on man, which is the part that gives you the entertainment?
the part where the car go fast. DUH!
so why the fuck are you on /fuckcars lol
read the room vroom vroom
im not on fuckcars im on lemmy
you're on fuck cars you bellend, a community on lemmy. jfc
whats it say right next to my name? go on, say it. what does it say? its right next to my name
does it say lemmy? spelled lemm.ee? or does it not?
it says pedant dumbfuck who doesn't understand where he's whining
WRONG it says lemm.ee 😂😂 how in the world did you get it so wrong
I think you're forgetting the entire point of my original comment.
You know what, you're right. Maybe while we're at it, we should stop going to concerts altogether. Running all those speakers and lights is bound to cause co2 emissions! We should also throw our computers in the trash. Think about all the co2 emissions and our future generations! As a matter of fact, we should go back to living like cavemen.
yeah there's no difference between art, computation, and FUCKING WATCHING MORONS RACE IN CIRCLES PROPELLED BY TINY EXPLOSIONS
you fucking cannot be that fucking dense
Yeah and songs are just sound. Paintings are just color and paper. Computers are just silicon. Qualia. You may not derive anything out of watching it but for me and many others it is like watching a sport. And the emissions from it are relatively tiny.
Whole online communities are basically !americasucks
I don’t know if it sucks I just merely trust people on this but like it’s annoying that everything is so default country