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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Why the fuck would you spell it "1st" if it's not 1?

Edit: Which is not pronounced "onest". I think people might be missing the point here; I'm actually a fan of zero indexing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the joke would've landed better if it said "first". I know it's pronounced the same way, but I'm gonna argue anyway that there's a subtle difference. I've heard 0th used in cs to describe what was at the 0-index, so in that context 1st would be"second", but "first" generally means "nothing before it". English is weird. I wonder if anyone knows whether the word "first" or "1st" came 1st (lol)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ordinal vs. cardinal. It's "first" not "onest", right? Even the ancient proto-Germanic speakers could tell there's a difference. (In fact, it's basically a contraction of "foremost", and has nothing to do with numbers; their weak numeracy was an advantage on this topic)

If we weren't implicitly choosing 1-indexing it would be 1nd for "second" (and still not "onend" or something). That breaks down once you get to third and fourth, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

programmer linguistigs is certainly something to behold.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Fun fact, Noam Chomsky's linguistic theories were and are the foundation of parsing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interestingly, we've got the same glitch in the Gregorian calendar, where the year 0 doesn't exist. So the 21st century started in 2001…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yup. We should really zero-index century names and years AD/BC as well, but we don't. If we were still using Roman numerals it would be no big deal, but we rarely do, so there's a confusing clash. I'm not sure if it was this programming humour community or another where I had a big exchange on the topic before.

I suppose you could have some kind of positional system that's one-indexed, so 999AD = 1111999AD, and 2000 would be written 2111, but you'd have to completely redo the way arithmetic works, and that defeats the point a bit. And, the new 999 would not be our 999, because it's effectively base 9.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They said 1st as an abbreviation of first (it's a normal abbreviation 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... 7th abbreviate first, second, third ... seventh)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Sure, but you have to see how it's an own goal if you're showing up to table 0.