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A lot of people in this thread are mistaking the map for the territory. Like yes, obviously neither the development on the right, or the left would actually happen in real life, because why are these people even on the island? What do they eat? What do they drink? Where do they work? The sole statement of the graphic is that dense developments have a reduced impact on nature compared to sparse developments. Discussing the logistics would exceed what can be conveyed by such a format.
A lot of people in this thread are deliberately missing the point because they don't want to hear it.
They want to live in independent suburban homes, in isolated subdivisions where you can only get to jobs or groceries or social events by car, with big yards soaked in pesticides so they don't have bugs in their houses, etc, etc.
They want to live high consumption lifestyles. They don't want to live in resource efficient, high density housing because they imagine it will reduce their standard of living.
So they nitpick the image and make up reasons why it's unrealistic because they don't want to admit the kinds of homes seen on the left are unsustainable and unrealistic in the long term.
I don't have to imagine, I've lived in both, it is a reduced standard of living and saying it isn't is a lie. I've seen pictures of how you people want us to live, Hong Kong and Tokyo exist. I'd rather die of exposure in the woods than be forced into a coffin sized little apartment room that the poors get there.
What do "the poors" in America get? Right, they get to
I’ll take it over horizontal closet living.
I did some quick research, I looked for cheap living spaces in Tokyo, and then in Austin. For Tokyo, I found this: https://www.villagehouse.jp/en/rent/kanto/tokyo/hachioji-shi-132012/kobiki-3019/#3DK-5-503/ 50m^2, for about 400$ a month, less than 5 minute walk to the train station, where you can take a train towards the center of Tokyo.
For Austin, Texas, I searched on Zillow for living spaces in Austin, TX under 600$. I found this: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/400-E-6th-St-Austin-TX-78701/2057083232_zpid/? About 11m^2, for 450$ a month. To be fair, it's in the center of Austin, but I didn't limit my search to the center of Austin. And unlike Tokyo, Austin is not known for having great public transit, so you can't save money by forgoing a car.
In conclusion, chances are if you're low income, you'll have more space Tokyo.
I don’t want to live in either 20 foot box. Hard pass. Thank you for making my point.
So you don't know that 50 > 11? You're supposed to have learned this in 1st grade.
Edit: Sorry I just realized that given your level of education, I can't assume you know what ">" means. It means "is larger than". "50 > 11" means "50 is larger than 11". Or completely in words "Fifty is larger than eleven".
Yes 50 is bigger, and yet I still prefer a house. 20 feet by 20 feet. Woo hoo.
So, what's so bad about the Japanese apartment that you'd rather die than live there?
It’s a 20 foot box. My entire living space in 20x20. Shitting and eating and sleeping all in the same room. My Detroit apartment was slightly bigger than that. No, it’s terrible. I won’t have kids, that’s my ecological contribution. I’m not living in a city again.
It's a 3DK, which is means a Dining room, kitchen, and 3 multi purpose rooms. And if you look at the floor plan, then the toilet is in its own small room, which doesn't seem to count as 1 of the multi purpose rooms.
So how much space do you want? How much space would a living arrangement need to have?
I looked it up, fuck no that’s horrible. Actual Hell on earth.
Me personally I need a kitchen with more than a foot of counter space. Washer, dryer, garage workshop, basement gaming room. Not struggling to have three guests in my home and not going to a fucking laundromat is key, oh and a small yard at least.
How many people are you cooking for that you need a large kitchen? How often do you have a lot of guests? And what do you need the yard for?
I have 6-8 people over once a week. I have a dog. Having more than a foot of kitchen space is not s big kitchen. You’re never going to convince me a tiny apartment is worth a shit.