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Cats and dogs both eat meat
Wild animals hunt and herbivores occasionally eat meat
So no animals wouldn't think this as they eat meat the same as us and wouldn't care at all about eating meat
So I don't get what this is trying to say at all
Edit: also forgot to add that some animals are cannibals for example chickens
I'd like to add that domesticated animals that are taboo to eat typically had a use beyond just eating them.
Dogs guard your property, cats kill pests, horses do work and transportation. You'd only eat those if you were desperate.
Chickens, pigs, and cows? Not so much. The only one of those I could think with an alternate use would be a truffle pig, which wouldn't be eaten.
I don't know that that's true, there can be other cultural reasons.
In Hindu-based cultures you wouldn't eat cow, as in largely Muslim ones you wouldn't eat pork.
Eating horse is common in a lot of countries despite falling into your "useful enough not to kill" category. Sheep are useful for wool production but people still eat lamb.
Rat is easy to domesticate and they are frankly useless at drawing a plough but eating them is still taboo in many places. A couple of billion people eat insects daily, but there are still many other countries where it is very rare to eat them at all despite the ease of farming.
Yeah I understand what that would feel like after having encountered similar types on reddit and in this posts comment section
Cats and dogs have no metacognition. They can barely recognize themselves in the mirror. We do. We have the ability to think about our actions, assign them moral value and better ourselves. That ability is completely wasted if you hold yourself to the same standard as a dog or cat. Is it ok to sniff random people's buttholes because dogs do it? To eat your own children because some wild animals do it?
Human beings evolved to eat plants and meat and no you can't get everything from plants as some nutrients in plants are not digestible and don't get absorbed compared to nutrients from meat
Look if you want to be personally vеgаn indent mind and don't have anything against you for it but when you or other vеgаns attack people who choose to not be vеgаn or have a vegetarian diet then that becomes a problem because you step into the territory of bullying and harassment of others
Vegan diets have been confirmed to be as good as omnivore diets, even better in some aspects, multiple and multiple times by research, so this point is moot.
We are not attacking you, though your defensiveness speaks volumes. We simply want a better world where billions of animals aren't tortured and killed every year for a diet that is unnecessary, for the profit of shady corporations and that is contributing to our unsustainable lifestyle.
Yeah you're gonna need to cite your sources when you make claims like that.
And many more on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism#Positions_of_dietetic_and_government_associations
But you're probably not going to read any of that and were just hoping for some gotcha moment
i don't know about all of their references, but i do know the canadian paper you linked is dated TWENTY YEARS AGO and the ARCHIVED position paper you linked from the AND is expired: it is not the current position of the AND. the australian government's position is based entirely on that expired position paper.
and, of course, the NHS regularlyly recommends that people eat dairy and seafood. even if a vegan diet can be made to work, it is not recommended by most dietetic associations (none that i know of) for most people.
edit: apparently the only paper with which i had no familiarity was the italian position, but the lead in for that details that you need to take special care to ensure you get enough of certain nutrients.
i'm not a dietitian nor a nutritionist, but even if i were i'm not YOUR dietition or nutritionist, just as you're not the dietician or nutritionist for anyone on this network. further, veganism is linked with depressive conditions like vystopia, so it's clear that nutrients aren't all that is required to be healthy.
The AND paper from 2016 doesn't seem expired, just removed from some site redesign: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ The fact that the position hasn't changed in more than 13 years should be an indication that it still holds. You don't need to prove that water is wet every few years to make sure it's still a valid stance.
The NHS respects your life choices, and makes recommendations for nutrients based on those choices.
Any talk about nutrition will be prefaced about getting certain nutrients. If omnivore diets had no risk of deficiencies we wouldn't need dietitians. Any talk about an omnivore diet will be prefaced with fiber, which is easier to be lacking in that diet.
I never claimed to be a nutritionist. I was just challenging the outdated notion that you NEED to be an omnivore to have a healthy diet.
Vystopia is just a side effect. If I had a cent for every depressing thing in life I would be a millionaire. Dealing with depressing shit is just part of life. Suggesting that someone shouldn't become vegan because they might get depressed is ridiculous. The same could be said about politics, gay rights, abortion rights etc, etc. Just live in a monastery, don't care about anything worldly and you won't be depressed. And veganism isn't just about being depressed. There is a complementary effect of happiness from feeling connected to and respecting every living being in the world.
here you go
https://web.archive.org/web/20190708160222/https://www.eatrightpro.org/~/media/eatrightpro%20files/practice/position%20and%20practice%20papers/position%20papers/vegetarian-diet.ashx
This is the exact same thing I linked in the post above. What is your point?
in the paper they tell you it expired in 2021
So it was the same position since '87 to '21 through 5 renewals, but since there isn't a new one since 2021 it's not valid anymore? Did they state this position was not valid anymore?
it expired.
it is not the position of the academy at this time. you can find all their current positions on their website, and some of them explicitly recommend dairy, meat, and fish.
some people might need to tho.
Of course. I have a friend who is allergic to most vegetable protein. She would be in ER if she ate a tomato. Of course she can never be vegan. But most people have no health risks of the sorts. I don't have any data on this, but I would bet on 90% of the population having absolutely no issue with a vegan diet. The "not all people can" argument is moot.
you don't know what anyone else needs and it's patronizing for you to try to tell them you know their needs better than they do themselves.
Look I'm not telling anyone what they NEED, I said that they can consider a vegan diet because X, Y, Z reasons. You keep twisting my words and offering zero interesting arguments. But since you seem to be a little insecure little troll on an anti vegan campaign judging by your post history, I will not waste any more time responding to you.
I'm responding directly to what you're saying. calling me insecure, antivegan, or a troll doesn't make what I've said untrue. I'm none of those things but I will tell you what I am: I'm right.