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Why do you say like crap? I took time to understand his position and reasons (which was helpful, because they were different reasons than requests before that). We've agreed on a way forward, and I have fulfilled his wish. It has been a bit frustrating for both of us, because it was in essence a conflict, but I think it's been resolved in a civil way.
Partway through he started suggesting things that just blatantly misrepresented why burntsushi was asking for his stuff to be removed. Even if he did the reasonable thing in the end, he shouldn't have been so antagonistic about it.
(you're replying to the guy who runs lib.rs and responded to burntshushi in that thread)
The initial request was just a question about removal, without getting into why, so it had no stance to misrepresent. The text I proposed was prefaced with "how about: …?", and based on reasons I've been given previously by other people. That was a question whether that's the right representation, not a statement. I made a wrong assumption, the text wasn't right, so we found a different one that satisfied him.
Ah, I didn't recognize the username. My previous comments were on mobile, so I didn't have both pages open to draw the comparison. Now, I'm not looking to contribute toward giving you more grief than you've already gotten, I'm basically just expressing an opinion on the situation and that's about it. So I'll justify my opinion a little, but leave it at that.
I would agree that originally, asking him how you should phrase the notice was a good gesture. He suggests "'This user requested their work be removed from this web site.' And then link it to this issue?"
Then you respond and recommend "BurntSushi disagrees with sneering at cryptocurrencies, and in protest asked his crates to be removed." in which, while he did say something to that effect, and that is related to the reason, you asked him what he wanted and then completely disregarded his wish to recommend a more snarky message.
BurntSushi actually responds and gives an okay to a more accurate version of what he said.
Then you respond with "[...] so I plan to develop "making a stance for cryptocurrencies" dedicated feature and move both of you there. [...]"
And I read the first portion of how BurntSushi responded to that, and stopped at about that point because the whole thing seemed asinine. It would appear to me that you made him out to be the party in the wrong throughout the entire exchange to that point because he didn't want to take part in your site.
The context here is that it was after I had a heated megathread in the bugtracker where multiple people were defending cryptocurrencies on their merits as money, decentralization tool, or an ideal to aspire to.
Burntsushi's objection was different form these, in a subtle way, and I needed more explanation to understand the difference. His phrasing with "sneering" — to me — was not clear (I understood it as "don't sneer at cryptocurrencies, because they don't deserve to be sneered at" rather than "cryptocurrencies are bullshit, but you can't say it so directly and rudely").
Additionally, I did not want to invite another bugtracker megathread about cryptocurrencies, which is why I tested his patience asking for a statement, rather than merely linking to the bugtracker like he asked. I see it as an ask, perhaps negotiation. I don't think that exchange deserves to be summed up as "crap".
Anyway, I'm probably testing your patience too, so have a nice day!
Given that both of you (burnedsushi and kornel) have strong and emotive opinions (“snearing must be stopped at all cost”/“cryptos are worst than the devil”), I totally understand that there was some miscommunication, but I found the tone quite civil even thought it felt emotionnaly difficult for both of you, and it seems that it ended in a good way. I do think that both of you did a good job at carrying the convesation to a good end.
I will also use this message to say that I'm part of the silent majority that really loves lib.rs, most notably because it is opiniated. Thanks for what your work.