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Safe spaces and freedom of trolls/bigots is not political. No where in the beehaw explanation do they cite politics as a reason for this. If someone kept calling me a idiot commie and I blocked them, I'm not blocking politics I'm blocking trolling.
I'm not sure that you can separate the concept of safe spaces out from politics, in much the same way that you can't separate your individual identity from politics. I'm not saying that they're a bad thing, but I do think that they're inherently political. People tend to want to segregate into spaces where they don't have to constantly keep their guard up.
A community of like minded people with similar values is not political. A community where a gay person can expect not to be made fun of for being gay is not political. The fact that people's sexualities and genders and world views are politicized and used by trolls as means to attack is the problem, not the people wanting refuge from that. Things being politicized does not make my existence political. If someone can't separate me the being from their politics that is on them.
People just shouldnt enter conversations to put people down for their looks or beliefs or enter conversations that otherwise aren't for them. Not everything is for everyone and that is ok. Not everyone needs to hear every opinion as not every opinion holds equal weight in every forum.
Eh, sexuality is political though. It's easy to think that it's not, or shouldn't be, especially if you're straight and surrounded by other people that are also straight. The personal is always political, and the political is personal. Most of use don't have to worry about needing a space of refuge because we conform well enough to the majority viewpoint that we're not constantly in tension. The mere fact that someone has a different skin color than me shouldn't be political, but we've got centuries of racism to one degree or another demonstrating that it is.
I understand what you're getting at, and I agree that sexuality, gender identity, skin color, etc., shouldn't be a problem for everyone, or anyone. OTOH, I also think that certain worldviews--such as the idea that black people should be forcibly expatriated to Africa and Jews should be murdered, and that both of these things are morally correct--should be both politicized and excised from society. I'm fairly libertarian, in that I think that what I do as an individual that doesn't cause direct, immediate harm to other individuals shouldn't be an issue. But borders get mushy and slippery, because no one exists in a total vacuum.
Anyway. Shit's complicated.
Beehaw decided to protect their users from certain content.
That shouldn't be seen as political, but it is.
We're on the same page honestly. This is just the wrong forum for this
Except their excuses are pretty poor. Modlogs are always public info, and you can see that there were only one or two trolls. That doesn't warrant blocking hundreds of other users.
So then you agree? It's not political?
Whether it was the right decision or not, they said they made it because trolls were coming from those communities and those communities have open sign ups. They also said it's not permanent so it's not like they're trying to silence a group of people perceived to mostly be on those servers. Just a group of mods/admins that took maybe too severe of a step to protect their base/their time/their own mental health.
It's most likely going to be permanent. beehaw's admins don't have a very reputable history of fair moderation.
It's most likely going to change when the protocol advances and defederation tools become more nuanced.
Hopefully