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"Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened." - Dwight D. Eisenhower 1945

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Eisenhower, the last good republican

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The great works of Eisenhower while president of the US

Funding, and arming, paramilitary death squads to keep the price of super essential things like, like bananas, low by having the CIA create a coup in Guatemala. The resulting 40 year ethnic cleansing of Guatemalan natives. Project Ajax in Iran that over-threw their government for the Sha. Operation Haik which attempted to coup Indonesia in 1958. Purging the government of dissenters under the auspices of them being gay, and basically making the burgeoning lavender scare policy. Was instrumental in the formative days of what became the Vietnam war. Created, and authorized, policy that basically gave the US DOD and CIA cart blanche to interfere with foreign powers in the interest of the US's industry.

These are just the things I can come up with off the top of my head.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We have to distinguish between the Dulles Brothers and Eisenhower. The brothers were two of the biggest gangsters to ever step foot in DC. Because they were allowed to run operations without the knowledge of the president and they lied and manipulated presidents is not completely clear what Eisenhower knew.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

do you also buy that Reagan was unaware of the issues with the Iran contra too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Kennedy would end up firing Allan Dulles because he had tricked Kennedy into Bay of Pigs. These guys had a reputation for misleading presidents.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bush didn't know the WMDs were a lie!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

He probably didn't know. Bush shuffled Cheney off to the margins and had Rummy resign in 2006 when he realized that he had been manipulated. From then on he leaned heavily on Condoleeza Rice. But the main thing is that the Dulles brothers were long gone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

He also initially opposed the removal of Mossadegh, went against Israel, France, and Britain to defend anticolonial efforts in Egypt, ended the Korean War, and cut support to the pro-US dictator Batista, which was extremely helpful to Castro's victory.

The past is rarely simple. Men are capable of great mistakes and great evil while also being capable of great good and virtue. Not even getting into questions of institutional inertia.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dunno, I had a lot of respect for McCain while he was still kicking. I might not have agreed with his politics but he was never malicious, unlike the majority of Republicans nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah McCain was every Democrat's favorite Republican. Dude just wanted to serve his country without all the social bullshit, can't really fault that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s revisionist

People didn’t like him until he went against Trump

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not true, I remember thinking I'd vastly prefer him to Bush.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He was a Republican and a good man. Modern Republicans celebrate god awful hate filled attitudes. Not much different from the far left, just opposing policies, really.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not much different from the far left

Careful, reminding the tankies about the horseshoe upsets them, and there are a lot of tankies on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You're not "reminding" tankies about horseshoe, you're telling everyone you don't know what the fuck you're talking about whenever you mention the term.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

But socialists are openly angry so that means they're the same thing as fascists.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I appreciate the sentiment and the intent and I'm not aiming this attitude at you, but i really don't give a fuck. I am so incredibly tired of tiptoeing across egg shells on the internet. If someone can't handle reading a sentence that contains an opinion or idea that they don't agree with, then they need to quit being a complete fucking bitch or quit using the internet. The ability to offend is my right, and offense is a necessity.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

not a tankie but I don't like your attitude, it costs zero dollars and zero cents to not be like that. be nice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Cross reference it with a list of those who subsequently endorsed him and after eliminating those names maybe you can find one or two. Maybe.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Meh, he also nuked hundreds of thousands of civilians, under the pretense to stop the war. If the Japs had the nuke and used on civilians in the US and US won the war anyway, i am sure it will be remembered more than concentration camps

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This isn't factual. The first two Nuclear Devices were used without the knowledge of Eisenhower and was horrified when he learned of the aftermath. Someone else commented further down on his atrocities and while I believe the statements made, I cannot confirm those. I can confirm that he was kept in the dark about the use of nuclear weapons, and stopped a third device being used

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You are right, I mixed him up with Truman.