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Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org. (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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What defederating would mean:

  • We won't see beehaw.org posts/comments on other instances.

Pros:

  • There is less confusion, you can't respond to a beehaw.org user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot.

Cons:

  • We won't be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won't see any of our content.

Summary

Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our 'front page').

beehaw.org users already can't see our posts/comments anywhere so it's not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn't really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.

What do you think?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So we'll still see posts from beehaw users on other instances that beehaw still federates with?

Will we be able to interact with the above posts (vote / comment)? I'm guessing yes, because the posts would be hosted on those 3rd party instances still federating with beeehaw, not beehaw.

If I inderstand correctly, I'd be in favor of keeping the federation, which in short means "keep interaction with beehaw users through other instances", even if we lost sync and interaction with "communities / posts in those communities. hosted by beehaw"

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You'd be able to see and interact with comments/posts made by BeeHaw users on other instances. However note that the BeeHaw user will never see it. Everyone else will.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we can see them and interact with them. But the beehaw users won't see our comments, the other users on the instance will. So it could be confusing if you were expecting a reply from a beehaw user - as they won't even be able to see your reply.

I'm not sure how voting works, I guess our votes would count? As the copy is held on the instance? But maybe beehaw users wouldn't see them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is still confusing though. Ideally there'd at least be a warning in the UI that you are replying to a user who won't see your comment.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Lemmy is open source so maybe this will get added. This was meant to be quite a rare edge case unless you were like from some Nazi/racist instance or something though.