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How do you make someone understand that being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is not a good thing? (sh.itjust.works)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

(I mean, it is in their charter)

pretty sure it's no longer in their charter.

Also why do you keep calling it an army. Gaza doesn't have an army.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is a militant group, with actual guns and drones or explosive and uniform (that they don't always wear), not a bunch of kids with sticks. This either an army or a terror organisation.

Hamas's new charter (2017l is sort of accepting Israel (I don't recall the exact wording, but something along the lines of "if all/most Palestinians accept it"). But the 1988 (in particular article 7, but also 28) charter was never cancelled and the 2017 was never officially approved

First paragraph: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/leading-hamas-official-says-no-softened-stance-toward-israel-idUSKBN1862O4/

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Funny story, I was mistaken for an Israeli patriot today, just because of my accent and what I was wearing. I was reassured, if you like, that the world is not going to ostracise Israel and Israel will keep existing. That was the gist of it anyhow. Of course I have no doubt israel will keep existing, what with all the support of the world's hegemons. What worries me is that Israel will keep existing in its current form: a fascist, genocidal ethnostate. Describing the only armed resistance against occupation permitted by Israel to take hold, as an 'army', creates a false sense of equivalence between Hamas's militants and the IDF with all its powerful tech. To describe what's been going on in Gaza for the past 10 months as a war between two armies simply defending their own people is, well stunning, when faced with all the evidence of the IDF's targeted mass killings of Palestinian civilian lives, as well as their callous disregard for Israeli lives (eg Hannibal directive).

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

First, as I said before, I'm against the war, against the occupation, and in favor of two states solution (ideally, a democratic one Jewish-palestinian state should exist, but this is not going to happen).

Now, I'm sorry, if you ignore the hostages, and the fact that October 7th happened as an offensive act by Hammas, you are painting only a partial picture.

Hamas had 10m to stop the the offensive by Israel, release the hostages. It was that easy 8 months ago, even 5 month ago. Today, I'm not sure. If you ignore this card in hamas's hands then you are again, painting a partial picture.

And as I said countless times in this thread, directing our anger at the armed forces, rather than politicians (on both sides) only aggravate the war.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I am angry at the politicians in the US etc for their continued support of the mass slaughter and starvation of Palestinians in Gaza.

I'm also angry at the Israeli head of state and political machine, who controls the IDF. When I say 'the IDF' I mean of course the military arm of the state of Israel. The Likud charta explicitly states the aim of one Israel 'from the sea to the river' - oh, the irony!

What Hamas has done on Oct 7, even if all stories are to be believed, pales in comparison to what Israel has done to innocent Palestinians - schools, universities, hospitals, aid workers, journalists, etc -before and since. And it was clearly provoked by years of being occupied in an open-air prison. So I'm sorry if I'm not interested in the 'we're only defending our own' shtick.

A two-state solution is only possible if Israel withdraws, stops occupying Palestine and allows it to exercise full sovereignty of its borders, governancet, and defence.