Honestly I'm not even upset. Props for walking outside like that.
Id give this guy a thumbs up and hope he doesn't rage at me.
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Well from my understanding of what Trump supporters think let's answer those in order.
He's not a convicted felon, they were sham political trials by the Democrats so he's not really a felon. The collusion with foreign governments is fake news and also Biden has done it too with the whole Ukraine and Hunter Biden's laptop thing. He's not corrupt because he's rich and can't be owned by corporate interests unlike Democrats and other Republicans. And the overthrowing the government and election stuff is him fighting for the truth because it was the Democrats who stole the election.
That's about what they think from my understanding and the problem with fighting against that stuff is that in some cases it's just a fundamentally different reality then what's actually happening. They're just in too deep and won't ever think critically or realize they've been duped into believing all this crazy stuff.
that's a definite possibility. But i feel like a significant portion of these people would also be the kind of person where if i showed up with a shotgun, and told them it was unloaded, and then had them point it at themselves and pull the trigger they would end up blown to bits.
Like i feel like if you're this comprehensively mind fucked, you would be expected to be generally mind fucked as well, to recap, they believe the ENTIRE political apparatus is ENTIRELY corrupt and biased solely against trump.
And we do see some of this, jan 6th deniers like that google whistleblower buy just being general conspiracy theorists. But this would surely only account for like 10-20% of the vote at max. There has to be some universal reality between these people other than they're all literally fucking insane.
A thing that really bothers me, is that this isn't like vaccine shit where the data isn't super readily accessible, shit like jan 6th is heavily documented and just out there for you to watch and consume what actually happened. Which is why we see the "it was a psyop" people crop up, but these people are just legitimately insane.
I mean part of it comes from echo chambers and some media outlets leaning into it and pushing the misinformation more. Of course if you actively leave the echo chamber and look for data to back up your position the point of view falls apart. The problem is a lot of these people don't really care to do that, they get their news from their echo chambers that back up their beliefs and point of view, and anything that slips through that tries to go up against it is viewed as fake and not real. Of course there are a lot of insane people and horrible people who know the stuff isn't real and just don't care cause they want their side to beat the other side and go super authoritarian but like you said they're a vocal minority. The rest who go along with it just don't know any better and don't want their beliefs questioned.
the thing that scares me about this option, is that people like this are literally just zombies, they have no critical thinking, and they don't even want to do these things, they just do these things. This is the reason that the holocaust happened. This type of rhetoric and behavior is what causes fascism.
either, this is compartmentalized to politics specifically, giving them some amount of free will, or it's just. Not at all. If it's compartmentalized, who knows what the fuck else they compartmentalize.
I think the one thing that's given me some amount of hope is the videos I've seen of people talking to some Trump supporters that show they at least understand the same fundamental problems that everyone has. They understand corporations have too much power, it's just they attribute it to Silicon valley people like Bill Gates and Zuckerberg rather then all corporations. The Republican platform has done a good job at redirecting these actual fears and problems to point towards different causes such as Democrats, the government, and immigrants. That at least gives me some amount of hope that they could eventually realize Republicans are actively supporting a lot of the problems that affect them through deregulation of corporations and the crippling of the federal government.
i think a lot of them are either uninformed, or ignorant, there is certainly some amount of rhetoric capture in a lot of them, which is likely to be a significant barrier, but if you can break past that somehow, everything else becomes really easy.