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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Universities in other states need to loudly proclaim they will not accept Florida high school graduates fed this horseshit. "Does not meet prerequisites for higher education." You want to be Confederate Jesusland? Fine, but there's a cost. Employers need to do the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's only going to hurt the kids who want out of that shithole state. They didn't choose to grow up there. And even if it's comparable to a hyper religious private school education, colleges aren't blanket denying students from those, same with homeschool kids. It may be necessary to offer remedial classes, but colleges are already doing that for math.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The kids will already be hurt … It’s a question of acknowledgment or if other institutions decide to ignore their deficiencies. (And, in admitting them, risk others students being subjected to their brainwashed viewpoints)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sort of happens anyway. Kids taught creationism get laughed out of Biology 101 and have to spend some semesters passing Bio for Boneheads, where they unlearn all the creation myths and get a truth bath of evolution.

US History is important for poly sci majors and law majors, so yeah some might have to make sure they can pass exams or explain how we were late among western nations to end slavery (and use truck systems, exploitation of new immigrants and child labor to keep the ill-gotten flavor in our gains.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And we need to make that process of getting kids who need it that basic foundational education as easy and cheap as possible. I would say the best thing we could do is make sure they have the opportunity to be de-programmed as soon as they are adults.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Or at the very least require a bunch of remedial training classes

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is actually a terrifying prospect that would only make the situation worse. The kids stuck there and being educated in this propaganda are the ones who will need higher education the most! It is not their fault their parents are living there. And while some parents may have a choice in the matter, many do not as relocating in the U.S. is very expensive and impractical for some families.

I actually feel like the opposite is needed - that public universities go out of their way to accept kids who were educated in Florida in the hopes of actually being able to educate them and break the cycle that is currently feeding this wave of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We have a while before we have to worry about those kids actually getting to college. What needs to happen now is the colleges proclaiming this. Make a big stink about it. Talk about remedial education requirements for Florida graduates. Across lots of states. Embarrass the hell out of the state. Set requirements that Florida public school graduates have to take an entire years worth of remedial education in college. Suddenly mom and dad looking at that bill will start to flip out.

Look at what happened to North Carolina when they tried to pass their bathroom bill, way before all the current crop of anti-trans laws. Stuff got cancelled. Events pulled out. Businesses proclaimed their objections, made public grumblings about risking expansion in the state. There was actual damage and cost, and North Carolina nixed the whole thing. Look at what's happening in the culture wars now. Nothing. It's become noise. Next week Wisconsin will declare an open hunting season on Muslims or something, and everybody will yawn. They've successfully numbed us to this shit, and until large entities start pushing back, until there are real tangible costs to the states pulling this shit, it will keep happening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, ungood to trap Florida kids in an echo chamber. It’s the reverse. We want them to leave and see a bigger world.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I absolutely see your point and agree with you. The unfortunate part is that by the time these kids graduate from highschool they have been indoctrinated. The ones I would be the most worried about aren't going to college anyways. There should be sanctions from the rest of the country that discourages people from moving there in the first place. Sanctions that discourage having kids there. If you want a family with children then get the fuck out. Help those people get the fuck out. You're right that we need to undoctrinate the older ones. That won't be as affective as just stopping people going there in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

we shouldn’t be a dictator to other Americans however i understand the sentiment. The bill will get wrapped up in courts, or it should.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Bruh you suggest literally discriminating Texans?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. These high school graduates from Florida didn't choose to live in Florida. They didn't choose to be educated this way. So not letting them into universities is discrimination and will only make things worse. If they were let into universities, they could see how Florida taught them wrongly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Their parents chose to live there, chose to give their kids poor education, and chose to elect people to do exactly what DeSantis is doing. And they've been making that choice for decades now. They can damn well live with the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The parents aren't the kids, and it's wrong to punish the kids for their parents actions. I am from Florida. I grew up there. I used college to get out. I'm trans and I'd probably be dead if I hadn't left. Even when I was in school there was "lost cause" Daughters of the Confederacy bullshit snuck in the curriculum. Just because they try to brainwash the kids doesn't mean they succeed. And I doubt they will, the internet makes that very difficult. And just because it's in the curriculum doesn't mean teachers won't push back - most of them will. The kids who want out of Florida will be a self selected group who probably already got a better history education through Wikipedia than was offered in school and know that what they were taught was either incomplete or bullshit. This is why general education requirements in college exist - they address what the student may have missed in high school for one reason or another.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Great, you got out, and now there's one less voter in Florida trying to stop the stupid shit. I guess the gop plan to chase left wingers out of their states is working.

I can't slap stupid parents upside the head any more. Apparently it's illegal or some shit. So the best I can do is loudly laugh when they're victimized by their own fucked up choices.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's some nonsense. Not everyone can up and move so easily. Don't punish people for the acts of jackasses like DeSantis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Guess what happens if no one ever gets upset about their politicians doing stupid shit. It never changes.

Consequences tend to piss people off, hopefully enough to stop voting for fascists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not all parents really choose to live in a place like Florida. Sometimes they have to go where the jobs are. Maybe they can't afford a place like California. And remember there are more people in Florida who voted for Biden than in Massachusetts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And sometimes they are living there and simply cannot afford to relocate. Relocating is very expensive in the U.S., especially if you want to relocate to an area that has better education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Beleaf systems like that are almost desigmed to screw people over.

Edit: Thats too brief of an explanation, im tires and will bed.

Edit: lol, beleaf

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I pray the green leaf 🙏