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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Just curious, what about spaces made it hard? What language would have been easier? In curly brace languages, 99% of the time, a curly brace is followed by a line break and an indent. Python is similar except it's typically a colon, line break, then indent.

What I have learned is: If the code is indented too deeply, it's a code problem, not the language.

Torvalds infamously wrote:

"... if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Torvalds wrote this about C. There's plenty languages where it's much more common and less of a complexity indicator to open up scopes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Correct, I linked the source of the quote. My implication is the general idea is applicable here. Is python one of these languages where it is idiomatic to nest code deeply?

The Zen of Python:

Flat is better than nested.

From the python I have seen and written, deep nesting is avoided.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Too much nested code was likely part of the problem, but not being able to easily tell where a block of coded ended without seeing the top of the block made it difficult to work with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's fair! Takes time to get used to. Modern editors make this easier by highlighting the current indent level, or can even make the top X lines of the current closure "stick" to the top of the editor for those really long blocks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Having those features would really have made it easier. I have only ever written my python code in Sublime Text. While it is a sublime text editor, at is not ideal (compared to how it is to write Java in IntelliJ) for Python. (Maybe with addons but I never delved into that more than a few.)