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The US military is not likely to resort to meat wave attacks as a staple tactic.
While US infantrymen facing down suicide drones one on one is likely to happen to a limited extent, the Russian habit of sending thousands of waves of lightly armed men across no man's land with no cover to advance a few meters makes this kind of scene into a trope for the Russians.
Don't imagine that this won't happen to the US regardless how they choose to fight. It doesn't matter. You can just take out key personal, like officers, or specialis? It doesn't have to be human wave attacks. Anyway, I haven't seen too many human wave attacks in the videos. Just individual poor conscripts forced into the service getting their balls blown of by some gamer safe behind the lines.
Don't get me wrong - fuck Russia. But this is wrong.
Wrong doesn't exist on that level in war. There are a few big rules, like don't shoot the civilians on purpose. Other than those, anything goes. You figured out how to turn their base into a microwave? Go for it. Instant 40 foot deep mud traps that swallow tanks with no warning? Completely legitimate.
Those are extreme science fiction examples but I hope they illustrate just how much nobody in a war cares about a sense of honor.
If rules don't matter, then why have any rules? Just everyone kill everyone, military, civilian, women and children?
Or, stop giving sermons about how bad the other guy is when each side chases down a terrified conscript with a explosive toy.
Or, at the very least, perhaps not film the results like some kind of sick snuff film? I question the morality and humanity of anybody who enjoy that shit.
It's not that the rules don't matter. It's that the Geneva conventions boiled the rules down to the ones that really matter.
And I like that there's video. I want people to see how fucked up war is.
Enjoy...
You realize fpvs only have a few km range right? This isn't some predator drone operator clapping cheeks from California, they're in this shit too.
What should they do instead? Risk going closer to Russian lines to try to take them captive? Let them stumble into Ukrainian infantry and get shot? Let them return to their own lines to get sent out again? They may not be an effective fighting force, but they are still a problem.
That's a legitimate argument.
I still don't buy it for the reasons already mentioned.
I'm an Australian.
In the first world war the Australian's had an iron clad rule, one well known to the Germans. If Australians managed to reach the enemy's trenches in an assault, they refused to accept a machine gunner's surrender.
You don't get to shoot down your opponents from relative safety and then expect mercy at the very end. Machine Gunners were an elite force of the German Army. They wore special patches denoting their status. That is, the gunner's not facing the Australian lines. Those machine gunners tended not to wear their status on their uniform. They tended not to survive capture if they did.
There was an element of hypocrisy in all this too. The Australians also had machine gun battalions. But the difference was that we accepted the rules. Perhaps if drone operators started getting shot out of hand on capture it wouldn't be so bad? Seems reasonable to me.
Ukrainian captives are tortured killed and starved regardless so I don't think your point stands. You talk about rules like Russia isn't treating the geneva convention articles like a checklist. Not to mention Russia has no right to be there in the first place. It's hard to feel bad for them when they've already raped, looted, and destroyed their way across Eastern Ukraine to even get where they are now.
Now on a human level, I do feel bad for those that are forced to the front against their will. But if you stack every one of them up against Ukrainian solders, civilians, and their very sovereignty, I'm gonna have to pick Ukraine every time.
Sounds like a justification for murder.
"We're bad, they're worse".
I'm not arguing about the Ukrainians defending themselves, but the methods on both sides are pretty shitty.
If you are intent on drone murder, own it without pleading. Doesn't matter which side you're on.
pretty shit? fuck off, you want each innocent ukranian to go to a war that they didn't start and die just because drones are "pretty shit"? the soldiers that didn't surrender deserved it
By all means, go and enjoy your snuff films.