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What's up with the casual Islamophobia recently?
Let's not make this into reddit.
Lmao this is criticism?
It isn't as dumb as it is bigoted to imply that muslims are murderous extremists.
Pop quiz: name a group of people who could be considered the 'fanbase' of the prophet named Muhammad.
I don't know what to tell you man, bigotry doesn't have some kind of prerequisite precision of language that makes it so.
If someone said 'fanatical trans people will sexualize your children if you leave them alone together', it would be pretty clear what the intent and effect of the statement was even though it doesn't explicitly name all trans people as its subject. It's crazy that it's taking more than one comment for you to see the problem, even if you feel it isn't a big deal.
Just because you didn't see the bigotry of the statement in its first reading doesn't mean it isn't there - if anything it just means you share the same bigoted perspective of the OP.
First: I'm not going to be linking to any evidence of this (equally bigoted) statement because I don't want anyone here to be confused about the intent of the comparison. But it should go without saying that there are absolutely examples of trans individuals committing sexual assaults - just like how any other random sampling of people large enough will contain examples of any number of hideous crimes committed by those people.
Second: The point isn't that there are people who commit those crimes within that group, the problem comes from attributing those people to a quality or belief shared by an entire minority (in the western world) of people whose membership in that group makes them subject to violence, bigotry, and marginalization themselves.
It isn't criticism, it's islamophobia, and has been used as the justification for all kinds of unspeakable violence committed against Muslims all across the world.
Phobia is an irrational fear. Being afraid of extremists who want to brutally murder you for drawing a cartoon is perfectly rational.
This is a poor semantic argument. It actually originates with right-wing rhetoric around "homophobia".
The argument also hinges on there being only one meaning to a word. Kinda like how Trump is confused about how you can be Asian and Black.
I am honestly shocked at the level of bigotry in this meme and this comment.
Comparing Islam to a fanbase that will 'literally murder you for showing a picture' is so obviously Islamophobic I don't know how else to say it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
Read up dipshit, they specifically murdered people because they were offended by cartoons of their prophet. The murderers themselves cited their religion as motivation. Go on, explain to me how that wasn't really what they're upset about, I'll wait.
It is the attribution of that extremism to being a part of 'muhammad's fanbase' that is islamaphobic, not pointing to an example of the extremism itself.
A member of a group committing murder and citing that group's beliefs isn't a justification for casually implying that members of that group are murderous, even if it's true is the most limited sense of the word.
Especially when that group is itself subject to extreme violence and genocide on the basis of their membership.
I assure you that I take pleasure in offending religious fruitcakes of all sorts.
Offensive: "christians believe that an imaginary flying bearded man in the sky speaks to them"
Bigoted: "Muslims are barbaric murderers that will kill you for showing a picture of their prophet"
You see the difference there?
But christians are barbaric murderers who will kill you for not converting to Christianity. I am not sure which of us is more confused.
I am quite sure it's you who is confused.
Not really seeing a ton of violence against Muslims or Christians where I am tbh.
One is mocking the belief of a group by portraying it as ridiculous, the other is a bigoted portrayal of a group as homicidal on the basis of their belief.
The meme isn't offensive toward 'religious fruitcakes' (the use of this word is kinda ironic but unrelated), it's actively bigoted and Islamophobic. Socsa was presumably defending the meme by saying they enjoy offending all religions and not just islam, and I was pointing out that the post wasn't simply offensive, it was bigoted.
Edit: responding here because this post was removed on my home instance for Islamophobia.
It isn't a critique, it is portraying Muslims as fanatical murderers.
In the same way that you would 'critique' Christianity, which justifies acts of terror such as bombing PFP clinics with Genesis 9:6, or Romans 13.
Extremists in Christianity are not seen as representative of the faith, but they are for Islam.
Nah, bigoted would be saying "these people are inferior humans because they have stupid beliefs." Or perhaps the act of infantilizing people for use as an ideological cudgel.
What I am saying is that they are very normal, run of the mill humans, and that having stupid beliefs is pretty typical of the human condition, writ large.