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The Google antitrust ruling could be an existential threat to the future of Firefox | Financials show 86% of Mozilla's revenue came from the agreement keeping Google as Firefox's default search engine (www.techspot.com)

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Mozilla has a close relationship with Google, as most of Firefox's revenue comes from the agreement keeping Google as the browser's default search engine. However, the search giant is now officially a monopoly, and a future court decision could have an unprecedented impact on Mozilla's ability to keep things "business as usual."

United States District Judge Amit Mehta found Google guilty of building a monopolistic position in web search. The Mountain View corporation spent billions of dollars becoming the leading search provider for computing platforms and web browsers on PC and mobile devices.

Most of the $21 billion spent went to Apple in exchange for setting Google as the default search engine on iPhone, iPad, and Mac systems. The judge will now need to decide on a penalty for the company's actions, including the potential of forcing Google to stop payments to its search "partners completely," which could have dire consequences for smaller companies like Mozilla.

Its most recent financials show Mozilla gets $510 million out of its $593 million in total revenue from its Google partnership. This precarious financial position is a side effect of its deal with Alphabet, which made Google the search engine default for newer Firefox installations.

The open-source web browser has experienced a steady market share decline over the past few years. Meanwhile, Mozilla management was paid millions to develop a new "vision" of a theoretical future with AI chatbots. Mozilla Corporation, the wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation managing Firefox development, could find itself in a severe struggle for revenue if Google's money suddenly dried up.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (14 children)

I needed, I would pay $5 per month in perpetuity for access to Firefox. Fuck google

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You’d need a hundred million people sign up for that $5 subscription to make up for Google’s bribe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Your math is off. It would take 8.5 million people donating $5 a month, to equal the 510 million a year from Google.

My math (please correct me if I am wrong):

$510 million / 1 year

$ X / 1 month?

$510 million / 12 months = $42.5 million / 1 month

$42.5 million / $5 per person a month = 8.5 million people a month

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

You’re right. My European ass sees revenue and salaries as monthly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Also, Mozilla says that it spends only $220M on software development expenses, so if 100% of the money went to that it would only require 3.7 million people paying $5 per month.

But, IMO, if the Google money spigot is turned off, it might be that other companies that rely on web browsers (Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, etc.) will want to spend at least a few tens of millions on Firefox. That would mean that end-users wouldn't need to support the entire cost of developing it.

Right now, everyone except Apple uses Blink which is a Google project tied to Chrome. Since Google has been found to have been illegally abusing their monopoly, the status of Chromium / Blink has to be uncertain. It would be smart insurance for these companies to ensure that Firefox doesn't go away in case something happens to Blink.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yup, and I could do $5/month, perhaps more if they really seemed to need it. I don't know if there are 8-9M, but maybe.

They really should be working on improving their revenue streams. I think they should work on privacy-friendly transactions, like a Mozilla Pay where I put money into some kind of bucket, then purchases are paid out of that bucket. The system would work on something like GNU Taler, and they'd take a small cut for money going into and out of the system (or transactions within the system). I could use those funds to pay for online services, avoiding ads, tips to people online, or Mozilla services.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Is it not

5 x 12 = 60

$510 000 000 / $60 = 850 000

$60 is one year of subscription for if user.

850 000 users need to pay 60 dollar per year to amount to $510 000 000.

(Or 510 000 000/5 = 10 200 000 users per month to reach the same amount monthly.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

510 / 60 = 8.5

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I see that I missed a zero (510000000/60=8 500 000). That numbers didn't seem plausible when I did the calculation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

You mean 510 million divided by 12. That's "only" 42.5.

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