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I agree there's a lot of problems with unpaid internships and work and such, but I don't think this is that bad?
It feels like "hey, if you really like our product and want to show it off, we can send you information and merch, and put you in touch with higher ups."
I'd complain if Microsoft or Google started doing this, because they are huge megacorps with deep pockets, but Framework seems like a small company that can't really afford huge marketing departments. If people want to devote their time to a cause they beleive in, more power to them.
They also aren't doing it with the promise or threat of something, which is an issue with a lot of unpaid work. The people they're targeting know exactly what they are getting into, and that they are doing it for their own reasons.
Yeah, I'm fine with it.
Then they need to market within their budget. That's not an excuse.
https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U?si=kD1NNv1Sv0K5DFnV
profitable companies are causes now
Profitable companies don't get to have "volunteers." Non-profits and charities get to have those. This is data collection for product development, and advertising for products.
This is a reason for me to not buy a Framework laptop.
I won’t even volunteer feedback to companies when they ask for it, and they incessantly ask for it.
Well its not gonna get any better by not supporting the companies that try to do better.
I don’t put up with for-profit companies any more than I have to. I don’t support them or do charity work for them. Corporate brands are not out friends.
What non-profit company did you get the computer you are currently using to type these messages from?
Do you think that’s a clever gotcha? I said, “I don’t put up with for-profit companies any more than I have to.”
Edit to add: For a free & commercial free & non-profit social media platform with a FOSS focus, there’s a surprising amount of corpo simping going on here.
It is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism.
We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings.
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https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/
Maybe I should start charging you a monthly fee for access to lemmy.ml.
You are literally the kind of liberal smuglord this meme is about.
I want a society where the capitalist class is abolished, so that it no longer leeches off the labor of the working class.
You’re using it right now, or else you wouldn’t be talking to me.
Forgive me, but I couldn't resist the opportunity to engage in some liberal smuglordery :P
Very cool goal! I wish you luck. However, to achieve your goals you must be rational and pragmatic. The situation in the context of this thread is thus: we have for-profit company Framework making laptops that are highly repairable, friendly to third party mods, and open source software (all things I hope we all agree are "good"). We also have the rest of the industry, most of which are also for-profit which does not do these things. I view the rhetorically pragmatic choice here, given the assumption that Framework contributes to some higher individual utility compared to anything else, is to support their mission, as opposed to dissing them as that in theory may put people off and they may stay with the less ethical companies instead. Or start your own laptop company that's even better than framework and then diss them ;)
The fact that Framework makes nice laptops is orthogonal to anything I’ve said. I might buy one some day. I’m not “dissing” Framework in particular over other capitalist laptop makers. My only specific criticism is in their trawling for free labor from their fan base.
Not really involved in this conversation, but you are literally calling this guy a smuglord while smugly treating him like he's an idiot.
The way you're using that meme looks like smug feelgood self-supporting blanket rejection of any argument as being from a 'smuglord'.
Grow up. Live your communist dream, but if you try to shove it down someone's throat, particularly in an inapplicable situation, don't be surprised if you find yourself choking instead.
@bastion @davel
Workers being paid nothing is more of a capitalist dream, is it not?
That's the "cause" that people believe in. And the volunteers that they are looking for are those that think Framework are the way to accomplish it. Realistically, that problem can't be solved by a non-profit - Materials, logistics and R&D can't be done by volunteers. So a corporation is the only reasonable choice for the goal they want to accomplish.
I'm sure they would love to be able to pay all the people that will volunteer, but they likely just don't have the money. So it's either give volunteers something for helping out, or just do nothing and ignore them.
You might want to actually read the article, cause that's completely missing the point of the program, and ignoring all context. As with all things, context matters.
It's a free market though. You can just buy from the wonderful companies that are Dell or Lenovo instead. Don't try to look to closely at them, or you won't be able to but a laptop ever again.
I did actually read the article and I did not miss the point even a little bit.
I think the jury is still out on whether Framework can be profitable. And by that definition, literally asking someone what product you want them to make is data collection.
I'm not a fan of a for-profit organisation having unpaid workers, but I get it if they want to see an otherwise unprofitable, yet passionate demographic. If they can compensate the person in other ways like was mentioned above (merch, contact with decision makers, possibly info on future products) then there is some exchange happening there and maybe that's worth it to the right person.