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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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The Productivity Trap (thehonestsorcerer.substack.com)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The cost of PV is not a red herring in that the consumer cost is the culmination of all manufacturing efforts required to make PV including profits for everyone. Because of this you can't claim there are hidden supply chain problems with PV panels without providing any evidence.

I already addressed your, "research it yourself" deflection.

This is faith for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Here is an essay https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/solar-panels-another-exercise-in I have come across covering things I thought you could find relatively easily on your own. If you're motivated you can fact-check and use it as a point of departure for further reseach. If you're really motivated I can recommend Tim Murphy's textbook https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I could provide proof that your links have mistakes but you should do your own research. I think you can find them relatively easily on your own.

To get you started, compare these numbers which are sourced against your textbook.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This concludes the experiment. I did not expect a different outcome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You expect others to do research to come to your conclusions but won't do research to come to others conclusions.

I even went out of my way to provide you a link that showed a mistake. What research did you do to prove yourself wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials on a difficult topic, on a fringe platform. So far the finge platform is not showing a difference to mainstream ones, as potentially possible from audience self-filtering. While N is low the visible conversion factor so far is zero.

To directly address your comment: I am extremely aware of practice of solar PV in Germany, I live there and installed some 2kWp on my roof by myself. Your link has zero relevance to the argument whether current and near future renewable power is autopoietic and whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society. You need to look at primary energy consumption globally, because solar power infrastructure is merely installed in Germany, using mostly external resources.

I will not continue this thread further unless you can show me you're worth my time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I'm running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials

You're not fooling me and I hope for your mental health you aren't fooling yourself.

whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society

But your links didn't provide any proof of your thesis that renewables are not capable of being autopoietic.

The solar data was 6 years out of date. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that a limit was reached and no progress has been made. But we have real world data showing solar costs have continued to go down dramatically over the past 6 years. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices

The textbook claimed shifting to solar would take 6% of the global gdp over a period of years. But global energy already costs 13% of global gdp. It's not out of reach and that's based on 2018 solar costs.

Do some research.