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From Prof. Eliot Jacobson:

Wow! Wow! Wow!

North Atlantic sea surface temperature anomalies are going vertical again. And yes, I needed to extend the y-axis.

Yesterday's temperature of 24.49°C (76.08°F) was 4.2σ above the 1991-2020 mean. The previous high for July 17 was 23.71°C (74.68°F) in 2020.

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1681321023306874880

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Honestly how long do we have until we experience massive fishing and crop failures everywhere?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Enjoy your days before. The working turn of phrase has consistently been, "Faster than expected."

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We already are experiencing that. Crab fishing season was cancelled in 2022 due to a sudden “where are our missing billions of crab?” Other fishing areas are likewise being affected.

Massive crop failures in China, Russia, Middle East, Africa, south and Central America have been going on for several years. Potable water is disappearing in many regions, forcing massive water migration.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

On a planetary scale, I don't think we're going to have trouble feeding ourselves, it's just that a) meat is going to become thoroughly unaffordable and b) an awful lot of crop production is going to shift towards the poles, creating many a geopolitical clusterfuck along the way.

Disaster movies are too obvious, and too tidy; it's going to be a century of the average human's life getting just a bit more hellish every year. Acutely hellish for some, barely hellish at all for others, but basically, we're going to slowly roll back most of the improvements in human welfare over the past few centuries until we've got starving serfs all over the place and plagues and famines and natural disasters absolutely flattening entire countries for years at a time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Very fucking soon.

You ever watch disaster movies? They're only 2-2.5hrs average.

Well, imagine this is a movie. The 100+ years of data we ignored was that "secret file" that was just discovered. The new high temps are the geeky science guy yelling "oh shit!"

Remember what happens right after that? Very, very quick collapse. Food disaster, heat disaster, weather events and oxygen decrease in our atmosphere.

We'll either starve, boil, suffocate or kill each other trying to survive.

I think it's within a couple years. Not decades that is typically reported.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couple years. We won’t get off that easy. This is sloooowww slide 🛝 with road rash and rug burns. It’ll be bad, then get better, then get worse, then get better, and then…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think so. We already had that. People just won't acknowledge or recognize it. The cliché "end is nigh" coming right up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’d be better off if it toppled in a week. Then we’d have purpose in rebuilding. I hope you’re right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Conservatives still wouldn't allow us to act. We get to die like white Jesus intended. To conservatives, widespread death is all just part of the plan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

We're all going to kill each other due to economic collapse and scarcity of resources long before anyone is being boiled alive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So you are saying I can at least take comfort in a luke warm ocean as others attempt to kill me in the end of days?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Let's start with the conservatives then. They are marbled and dumb, like cattle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Possibly. I think bad air/decreased oxygen will suffocate billions. Not much left to fight over.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you renew your Premium Deluxe Air™ subscription. Oxygen As A Service.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ha, I can't afford it. Guess I'll die blue.