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In Congress today, the war criminal who has starved, killed and maimed tens of thousands of Palestinians was given standing ovations and 70 applause breaks.
It wasn't the only thing that happened. Over 100 Democrats boycotted the address and thousands protested outside. Still, I think this cartoon captures the spectacle of what happened inside the building.
At least white people benefit then... Who is benefiting here?
Israeli savages, not Americans.
Fucking disgusting
You're off the mark if you think America supports Israel just because they are big fans of Israel. Israel is a tool for American Imperialism.
Explain to me how America benefits from supporting this genocide?
Israel is used as a weapons testing platform by America. We are fighting a proxy war with Iran/China/Russia without risking American lives. Our proxies in the middle east and west of Russia act as physical separation and plausible deniability for our violent acts. The reason that the genocide is tolerated is because America benefits from the fighting. The Israel conflict acts as a forever war between our constant other armed conflicts, allowing us to generate income and research technology through private industry. We invented Israel to accomplish American goals in the middle east. To invoke the moral defence is to engage in a bad faith argument. The genocide is immoral on its face, but the language of power informs American policy decisions. Even the moral arguers that are allowed into the halls of power are allowed there as part of the production. That is manufactured outrage. Manufactured inso that the power forces allow the dissent to be visualized within their body to show fake deference to the filthy truth: power beats morals in America. Imploring moral righteousness from the powerful is useless. Worse than useless, it strengthens the powerful's play by making them appear tolerant. If you want change, violence and power are the language spoken. I do not support genocide and I do not allow my thoughts to be used as a tool of oppression by placidly stating the obvious. The correct action is action and fear of being able to do that action is the boundary of power. Imagine even saying that American cities should be bombed by their own inhabitants if the genocide doesn't stop tomorrow. You can't? That's power. If you're afraid reading this, that's power.
Yeah but weapons for ukraine took 6 months...
Either way, clearly US regime has some exra love for Israel because purely economic and geopolitcal terms can't explain away US behavior imho
The fact that there is even an "argument" about it does indeed confirm that powerful people don't give a fuck about being found guilty of it. I guess that's what winning really looks like in the end.
But let's be real this does not benefit the US geopolitically. If US stopped supporting Israel tomorrow, nothing would really change for US.
Israel would not survive tho...
I have attached a screenshot of the middle east. Israel affords the US Access to the middle-east without needing to access the Suez channel. This is of strategic importance because the canal is tiny and our navy has to send ships through it to bomb Iran through the Persian Gulf. If the canal were to be closed, we would have to take carrier strike groups around Africa to go east and access the Gulf. This is important to projecting power into the region. If ever there were a land war, the US would need Israel to put big land stuff into play to fight China/Russia/Iran. Thank you for challenging my thinking.
Under this logic, Egypt is way more valuable to US.
You are also mixing naval access with landing ground, which I am not following. If Egypt closes suez, what is israel going to do? We are still going around Africa.
If we need to land troops in middle east, we have base in Kuwait, KSA Jordan? Half of Arab countries there are US allies lol What does israel bring that they don't?
Also, Turkey is NATO and borders Iran. Kuwait is a drive away from Iran.
I am still yet to hear a concrete reason why Israel is valuable to the US tbh beyond platitudes that Israeli propaganda spins as benefit, which is really benefit for Israel, not us.
Egypt would be more valuable than Israel. Egypt was not an invented country and so would not be easy to get military access to. The naval access is used as part of a defensive military plan called projection of power. Naval access is what the US uses now to project military power into the region. In the event that the canal is closed, then land access will be required to project power in the region for projection of power. Either way, to field an offensive campaign in the east would require Israel. We need land to land tanks. Ad hominem attack is ineffective. I have nothing to prove to you and am not obligated to describe whatever inane things you have decided to require for your personal satisfaction.
lol wat? where?
Egypt does as us says now mostly.
Either way, Israel borders Syria Jordan and lebanon Egypt... who is US attacking here with tanks from Israeli territory?
You are not able to article this basic point, again talking in platitudes about some mythical conflict that US will have to fight against somebody that only Israel can allow us to do.
Israel does not resolve Suez canal closure issue. navy is going around anyway. This point does not make sense either.
Again, if we need to land tanks against Iran, turkey (NATO) is right there with a direct land border with Iran. Kuwait would also make more sense since driving distance to Iran.
Then there is KSA. Nobody is landing tanks in Israel to fight a war with Iran lol
They keep Israel as a foothold on the Middle East, which pushes US negotiations with other countries in the favor of the US.
Man this trope keeps getting pushed as gospel...
Israel didn't have to ethnically cleanse the region even if this is true though.
This is what Israel decided to do and AIPAC was able to lobby for it successfully to maintain US support.
There is zero benefit for US here.
Clearly people don't remember USS Liberty
They do, Israel is a genocidal Settler-Colonial fascist regime. They need an enemy, and they need that enemy's land.
AIPAC is part of the puzzle, but the US has a history of unconditional support for Israel regardless, because Israel protects US profits.
Name these profits Israel protects for the US lol.
Man again another fake news spread as gospel
Aipac is a split off from
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency_for_Israel
They did it to avoid registrations as foreign agents
"If we look at the Middle East, I think itβs about time we stop, those of us who support, as most of us do, Israel in this body, for apologizing for our support for Israel.
There is no apology to be made. None. It is the best $3 billion investment we make.
Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region; the United States would have to go out and invent an Israel.
I am with my colleagues who are on the floor of the Foreign Relations Committee, and we worry at length about NATO; and we worry about the eastern flank of NATO, Greece and Turkey, and how important it is. They pale by comparisonβ¦
They pale by comparison in terms of the benefit that accrues to the United States of America."
Joe Biden, 1986.
You didn't name the profits israel protects.... I am assuming you can't.
Citing an AIPAC hoes speech from 30 years ago aimed at bolstering the propaganda you are repeating is support for the initial claim.
Again, US doesn't benefit front this genocide or support of Israel.
This support is detrimental to the US geopolitical position. If US cut Israel off tomorrow, nothing would change for the US like
Israel would be fucked tho. πΈ
What profits do I "name?" That Israel protects US access to oil, ergo profits?
You genuinely have no concept of geopolitics.
Lol what?
Said a guy who doesn't understand current global oil market lol
JFC. You are spouting Israeli propaganda without even understanding it. Do some basic due diligence on the topic please.
What don't you understand about the US maintaining a loyal military powerhouse in the Middle East to force negotiations in their favor? Bringing a gun to the table when making a deal makes it go smoother for the Genocidal US Empire.
I don't quite follow how pointing out that the US has and will always maintain support for Israel to protect US economic interests is Israeli propaganda, I am directly calling out the Genocidal Empire and its leashed dog.
US has minimal economic interest in the middle east, look at the US trade flows. No country is the middle east is threat to the US in any meaningful sense.
Also, we are a net exporter of oil for at least a decade now.
You spouting Israeli propaganda to justify US support for their clown regime and genocide.
This relationship is a huge negative for the US geopolitical interests and the world order we maintain. And it appears like the normies don't even understand these risks because "empire needs military bases" we have bases in many countries without a genocide lol and "economic interests" that nobody can articulate
AIPAC really got the entire country by the balls it seems sniffing israeli farts
Just because YOU don't understand why the US maintains a foothold in the middle-east, doesn't mean we don't. Nor is the US state and corporations that massively benefit from keeping their "unsinkable aircraft carrier" (Israel) ignorant of it.
yet neither of you is able to produce an example of a single tangible benefit either US state or corpos get here...
The US "defense" industry is one of the primary drivers of the US economy. Just as an example, they made $138 Billion USD on the Iraq war alone., 2. Dick Cheney for example, was the US secretary of defense during the first war on Iraq, then the CEO of halliburton (a US weapons and energy company), then the "vice" president. He made millions off these wars, and shows a good intersection of why people consider the US state nothing but an arm or salesman for its weapons manufacturers.
Here's a good summary of the US companies profiting most from wars in the middle-east.
Its not just the military of course, there's a tight economic integration between the Israeli military and US police forces, sharing training, contracts, etc. I def recommend reading The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World for more on this.
Are we finally admitting that US invaded Iraq on behalf of Israel... some progress at last.
However, how is this benefit to the US? Some rich dudes making money that live in America benefited. Where is the benefit to the US geopolitically?
I was a fucking blunder.
It surely did benefit Israel though. And Israel wants us to invade Iran too.
Israel is economy is a size of a small US state, if stopped dealing with them tomorrow, nothing would happen to the US on global stage.
The US is a capitalist state, its government exists solely to serve the interests of its corporate class, and its defense industry is one of its most powerful. Look at its defense budgets, those spending bills are almost congress's main reason for existing.
Not for the US state and the corporations it serves. For them it was mission accomplished / everything is working correctly as intended.
This is probably pointless, since I already linked articles that show how many hundreds of billions in profit the US defense companies make.
US would lose a vital base for projecting its power in the middle east, so no, it doesn't want to close it down any more than it wants to shut down its other external 800+ military bases.
Maintaining control on the supply and flow of oil is one of the more important tasks on the US Empire's list.
Doesn't matter, the US needs to maintain control so the world has to trade in US Petrodollars.
Nope, I want the American Empire to collapse and Israel to be abolished into a One-State Solution. That Solution starts with recognizing why the US supports Israeli genocide.
Oh, I think I get it, you support the US Empire and want it to succeed, that's why you call it "world order." Additionally, the purposes of those bases are of course maintenance of Empire.
Partially true, but the US needs Israel if it wants to maintain the Petrodollar standard.
Yeah! We should only do genocide for the support of the PURE WHITE RACE π€¬π€¬π€¬
That's your country boy...
Don't shoot the messenger
Who is it that you think you're the messenger for? I've never met anyone even half that racist, online or off.
I am sorry American history is racists lol
Yeah. History. Who is it you believe you are speaking for now?
you dear :)
So you think I'm a flaming racist because I checks notes pointed out that something you said was racist, not knowing you were poking fun at someone else?
RHEEEE
Scream all you want, buddy.